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It's interesting to me people make all sort of assertions about why men or women are dominant in an industry without anyway to falsify their hypothesis. I provi

It's interesting to me people make all sort of assertions about why men or women are dominant in an industry without anyway to falsify their hypothesis. I provide some data points having lived in several countries that may offer some insight. Draw your own conclusions. I got my undergrad degree in Iran (a relatively conservative society with an ultra-conservative even anti-women government), where the ratio of women to men in our computer science class was roughly 60/40 in favor of women. The ratio was similar all across the board in STEM and non-STEM fields as more women were admitted and graduated from universities than men. To get admission in Iran everyone has to go through the same standardized test nationally. Women were scoring better and better in the nationalized test than men every year until they passed men the year I went to school. (The trend continued later even prompting the government to introduce legislation to cap the ratio of women at least in certain programs.) When I went to Europe for grad school (to a very progressive university in perhaps the most progressive European country) to my surprise I had only one female classmate who was a non-European international student in a class of 40. I let you judge what caused this discrepancy. But I hope we can all agree the issue is much more complicated than some want to make you believe.

gruez 4y ago
>I got my undergrad degree in Iran (a relatively conservative society with an ultra-conservative even anti-women government), where the ratio of women to men in our computer science class was roughly 60/40 in favor of women [...] >When I went to Europe for grad school (to a very progressive university in perhaps the most progressive European country) to my surprise I had only one female classmate who was a non-European international student in a class of 40. also known as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-equality_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-equality_paradox
telomero22 4y ago
It's because in poor and conservative countries women must choose a high paying job if they want to escape oppression and arranged marriage. However, the more egalitarian and wealthy a country is, the more women are free to choose which job they like most and they are not so interested in Engineering it seems. EDIT: Ha, looks like this is just a Jordan Peterson false claim. Women seem to be strongly represented in science and engineering in developed countries. https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/women-in-science/ https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/women-in-science/
- supergirl 4y ago
  or that society is pushing women against science in all countries but in developing countries this is countered by the need to get a high paying job. in wealthy countries you can live comfortably with a regular job so women are just expected to do that. no one is encouraging little girls to choose science; there is no need
- negamax 4y ago
  But that's not the point. Issue is Europe pushes for equality at outcome when things are broken on at the entry.
- cafeoh 4y ago
  "It's interesting to me people make all sort of assertions about why men or women are dominant in an industry without anyway to falsify their hypothesis". You proceed to answer with a random unsourced assertion that seems to go against current sociological studies. So I'll answer you with another unsourced hypothesis: you're a man, and you just justified your position in the industry by waving your hand and saying "they don't want it anyway!". They are not interested in engineering you say? Would you mind giving me an hypothesis off the top of your head as to why that is? I'm sure you'll have a very interesting assertion here aswell. "Woman does not wish to turn aside from her higher work, which is itself the end of life, to devote herself to government, which exists only that this higher work may be done. Can she not do both? No!" -Lyman Abbott (1903)
- karpierz 4y ago
  That's a guess, where's the validation?
- Manuel_D 4y ago
  There is merit to this claim: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/02/the-more-gender-equality-the-fewer-women-in-stem/553592/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/02/the-more...

gruez 4y ago

>I got my undergrad degree in Iran (a relatively conservative society with an ultra-conservative even anti-women government), where the ratio of women to men in our computer science class was roughly 60/40 in favor of women [...] >When I went to Europe for grad school (to a very progressive university in perhaps the most progressive European country) to my surprise I had only one female classmate who was a non-European international student in a class of 40. also known as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-equality_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-equality_paradox

telomero22 4y ago

It's because in poor and conservative countries women must choose a high paying job if they want to escape oppression and arranged marriage. However, the more egalitarian and wealthy a country is, the more women are free to choose which job they like most and they are not so interested in Engineering it seems. EDIT: Ha, looks like this is just a Jordan Peterson false claim. Women seem to be strongly represented in science and engineering in developed countries. https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/women-in-science/ https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/women-in-science/

supergirl 4y ago
or that society is pushing women against science in all countries but in developing countries this is countered by the need to get a high paying job. in wealthy countries you can live comfortably with a regular job so women are just expected to do that. no one is encouraging little girls to choose science; there is no need
negamax 4y ago
But that's not the point. Issue is Europe pushes for equality at outcome when things are broken on at the entry.
cafeoh 4y ago
"It's interesting to me people make all sort of assertions about why men or women are dominant in an industry without anyway to falsify their hypothesis". You proceed to answer with a random unsourced assertion that seems to go against current sociological studies. So I'll answer you with another unsourced hypothesis: you're a man, and you just justified your position in the industry by waving your hand and saying "they don't want it anyway!". They are not interested in engineering you say? Would you mind giving me an hypothesis off the top of your head as to why that is? I'm sure you'll have a very interesting assertion here aswell. "Woman does not wish to turn aside from her higher work, which is itself the end of life, to devote herself to government, which exists only that this higher work may be done. Can she not do both? No!" -Lyman Abbott (1903)
karpierz 4y ago
That's a guess, where's the validation?
Manuel_D 4y ago
There is merit to this claim: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/02/the-more-gender-equality-the-fewer-women-in-stem/553592/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/02/the-more...