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Many of the silliest progressive ideas are being / have been normalized thanks to Big Tech and the establishment doing one or more of three things: 1) actively

by coolso 4y ago

Many of the silliest progressive ideas are being / have been normalized thanks to Big Tech and the establishment doing one or more of three things: 1) actively censoring people who speak out against them 2) preventing discussions from happening in the first place (comments disabled, dislikes hidden) 3) actively promoting the ideal progressive version of the idea to cut down on dissent Take the pronouns thing. Every other Instagram account of a female has her official pronouns (which you may only choose from a list of officially allowed ones so as to cut down on dissent via things like “your majesty / his highness”) set to she/her. I’m sorry but we all know you’re a woman. Why are you putting your pronouns up? The idea is a preposterous one; don’t even get anyone started on the they/them abomination. And yet dissent and mockery of this abject stupidity is largely censored. As a result it’s bleeding out into the real world. I hang in very progressive social circles. Trust me when I tell you, you do not want this reality. Their lives are defined by their progressive causes and perceived slights and micro aggressions. Every introduction “must” involve your pronouns and if you “forget” them they will innocently ask you of them. As a result people are bumbling pronouns all the time, I cannot tell you how many times even the pronoun experts start to say “she” or “he” in casual conversation referring to someone but then panic and stutter and say “they” because they can’t quite remember what pronoun this particular person wants to go by today or if they’re a they/them who despises people who feel like they should be able to speak freely without knowing they’re very, very special and are too special to go by a binary pronoun. Mockery is the best defense against stupidity. Which is why it’s under such a big threat. And it’s why Elon is taking over Twitter.

akomtu 4y ago
Some relevant offtopic here. Long time ago I came across a book of occult nature that, among other things, outlined 6 soul types, one of them being a curiously accurate portait of what we call wokeness now: ...individualised by vanity were born into city populations, and life after life they tended to drift together by similarity of tastes and contempt for others, even though their dominating idiosyncrasy of vanity led to much quarrelling and often-repeated ruptures among themselves. Separateness became much intensified, their minds strengthening in an undesirable way, and becoming more and more of a shell, shutting out others. Their emotions, as they repressed animal passions, grew less powerful, for the animal passions were starved out by a hard and cold asceticism, instead of being transmuted into human emotions; sex-passion, for instance, was destroyed instead of being changed into love. The result was that they had less feeling, birth after birth, and physically tended towards sexlessness, and while they developed individualism to a high point, this very development led to constant quarrels and rioting. They formed communities, but these broke up again, because no one would obey; each wanted to rule. Any attempt to help or guide them, on the part of more highly developed people, led to an outburst of jealousy and resentment, it being taken as a plan to manage or belittle them. Pride grew stronger and stronger, and they became cold and calculating, without pity and without remorse.
- diputsmonro 4y ago
  Cool story bro. I could also write up paragraphs of text filled with vague generalizations and prejudices about people living in the rural countryside, and paint up a picture that all the people who live there are abominations who uniquely suffer from the negative aspects of the human condition.. But I won't, because this and that are both mindless factionalist drivel.
- robonerd 4y ago
  Do you mind sharing the name of this book? I'm interested in reading about the other sort of souls.
rrose 4y ago
> Take the pronouns thing oh boy. > Why are you putting your pronouns up? To normalize people being open and explicit about their gender identity so that people with non-obvious gender identities can feel less conspicuous sharing theirs. > they/them They and them have been neutral-gender pronouns forever. > And yet dissent and mockery of this abject stupidity is largely censored. Because most of it is thinly veiled transphobia. You can still disagree with the censorship but to act as if it's mostly good-faith arguments being censored is just naive.
- hyperdunc 4y ago
  Sorry, a person's gender identity just isn't that interesting, and the extra cognitive load of remembering pronouns isn't something I'm willing to bear. This trend isn't meaningful, it's narcissistic.
  - rrose 4y ago
    it not being interesting to you doesn't mean it isn't incredibly important to them. The fact that it is incredibly important to them is obvious, and the "cognitive load" you're talking about is completely trivial. If you're not willing to take even the tiniest effort to make the people around you feel welcome, you may be the one being narcissistic.
    - hyperdunc 4y ago
      It being incredibly important to them is part of the narcissism. They can believe whatever they want, but they don't get to demand validation from anyone who's not willing to freely give it. This pronoun nonsense is as much of a coercion as it is a kindness. I won't participate.
      - rrose 4y ago
        It's no more coercive than any other social norm. If you act disrespectful to the people around you, they will treat you accordingly. Everyone everywhere accepts this in 99% of situations and it is interesting to see the specific exceptions they make.

by coolso 4y ago

akomtu 4y ago

Some relevant offtopic here. Long time ago I came across a book of occult nature that, among other things, outlined 6 soul types, one of them being a curiously accurate portait of what we call wokeness now: ...individualised by vanity were born into city populations, and life after life they tended to drift together by similarity of tastes and contempt for others, even though their dominating idiosyncrasy of vanity led to much quarrelling and often-repeated ruptures among themselves. Separateness became much intensified, their minds strengthening in an undesirable way, and becoming more and more of a shell, shutting out others. Their emotions, as they repressed animal passions, grew less powerful, for the animal passions were starved out by a hard and cold asceticism, instead of being transmuted into human emotions; sex-passion, for instance, was destroyed instead of being changed into love. The result was that they had less feeling, birth after birth, and physically tended towards sexlessness, and while they developed individualism to a high point, this very development led to constant quarrels and rioting. They formed communities, but these broke up again, because no one would obey; each wanted to rule. Any attempt to help or guide them, on the part of more highly developed people, led to an outburst of jealousy and resentment, it being taken as a plan to manage or belittle them. Pride grew stronger and stronger, and they became cold and calculating, without pity and without remorse.

diputsmonro 4y ago
Cool story bro. I could also write up paragraphs of text filled with vague generalizations and prejudices about people living in the rural countryside, and paint up a picture that all the people who live there are abominations who uniquely suffer from the negative aspects of the human condition.. But I won't, because this and that are both mindless factionalist drivel.
robonerd 4y ago
Do you mind sharing the name of this book? I'm interested in reading about the other sort of souls.

rrose 4y ago

> Take the pronouns thing oh boy. > Why are you putting your pronouns up? To normalize people being open and explicit about their gender identity so that people with non-obvious gender identities can feel less conspicuous sharing theirs. > they/them They and them have been neutral-gender pronouns forever. > And yet dissent and mockery of this abject stupidity is largely censored. Because most of it is thinly veiled transphobia. You can still disagree with the censorship but to act as if it's mostly good-faith arguments being censored is just naive.

hyperdunc 4y ago
Sorry, a person's gender identity just isn't that interesting, and the extra cognitive load of remembering pronouns isn't something I'm willing to bear. This trend isn't meaningful, it's narcissistic.
- rrose 4y ago
  it not being interesting to you doesn't mean it isn't incredibly important to them. The fact that it is incredibly important to them is obvious, and the "cognitive load" you're talking about is completely trivial. If you're not willing to take even the tiniest effort to make the people around you feel welcome, you may be the one being narcissistic.
  - hyperdunc 4y ago
    It being incredibly important to them is part of the narcissism. They can believe whatever they want, but they don't get to demand validation from anyone who's not willing to freely give it. This pronoun nonsense is as much of a coercion as it is a kindness. I won't participate.
    - rrose 4y ago
      It's no more coercive than any other social norm. If you act disrespectful to the people around you, they will treat you accordingly. Everyone everywhere accepts this in 99% of situations and it is interesting to see the specific exceptions they make.