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> Correction: An earlier version of this article stated that the BND had intercepted radio traffic discussing murders of civilians in Bucha. It stated that the

by twa999 4y ago

> Correction: An earlier version of this article stated that the BND had intercepted radio traffic discussing murders of civilians in Bucha. It stated that the radio traffic had been linked to the bodies photographed in Bucha. However, further research has revealed that the communications can only be geographically assigned to the region north of Kyiv, even if they show clear parallels to the killings in Bucha. that's a pretty big correction.

emptybits 4y ago
> that's a pretty big correction Well only geographically. It's still Russian military radio traffic discussing murders of civilians, is it not? Just maybe not in Bucha.
- twa999 4y ago
  _definitely_ not it Bucha.
  - ahahahahah 4y ago
    Where do you possibly get that idea? Do you not know that Bucha is part of the region north of Kyiv? Even if you wanted to quibble over the meaning of words, the article is very clear about it: > radio traffic from Russian military personnel in the region north of Kyiv, where Bucha is located
- OrvalWintermute 4y ago
  The Western Ukrainians (AFU), who are fighting vs the Eastern Ukrainians (LPR & DPR), and the Russian Army (Moscow Regime) all speak Russian, and have similar radio equipment. With the exception of the new Western new radio gear that the Western Ukrainians CIA-supported units have fielded, they are all using similar stuff. Given they all speak Russian with minimal difference, it is premature to say which force is doing what where in the middle of a contested warzone.
  - polotics 4y ago
    Please be very careful with the trolling. In a past life I had contact with teams returning from Kossovo having handled mass graves there, identifying corpses, getting information to investigators, these ones then talking with families, piecing through what exactly happened. Some of the affected persons, still alive 30 years on, with only the memory of their raped 10 years old daughter, are at it and anyone associated with the deeds, even if the perpetrators have long ago been peeled, are still after associates, even if only just in propaganda associates.
    - OrvalWintermute 4y ago
      > Please be very careful with the trolling This is not trolling. Maybe you shouldn't be so flippant about making accusations like that. > In a past life I had contact with teams returning from Kossovo having handled mass graves there, identifying corpses, getting information to investigators, these ones then talking with families, piecing through what exactly happened. Some of the affected persons, still alive 30 years on, with only the memory of their raped 10 years old daughter, are at it and anyone associated with the deeds, even if the perpetrators have long ago been peeled, are still after associates, even if only just in propaganda associates. I too, did "peace enforcement" in the Balkans as a uniformed member of the US military in a NATO unit. Who were the allies of NATO in executing the peace enforcement? Russians. How quickly people forget this, in the "Rah Rah Rah EvilRussianz" media blitz. However, you are comparing genocidal conflicts in the Balkans, with a war that is essentially a defensive move by the Russians to prevent encroachment into their sphere of influence & sphere of control. Wars are brutal, horrible things. NATO should not be in the business of fomenting revolutions, "Color Revolutions", Regional destabilization, or encroaching on regional powers turf where we have no clear national interest. And no, we hate Putin is not a National Interest. NATO has been supporting the Western Ukrainians in Kiev, and assisting the coup, in attacking the Eastern Ukrainians for a number of years now. We should not be in that business. We would not tolerate Mexico or Canada becoming a Chinese military base, any more than we did missiles in Cuba [1] [1] https://history.state.gov/milestones/1961-1968/cuban-missile-crisis https://history.state.gov/milestones/1961-1968/cuban-missile...
martythemaniak 4y ago
Is it really that important which particular town they massacred people in?
- twa999 4y ago
- aaron695 4y ago
tablespoon 4y ago
> that's a pretty big correction. No, it isn't. It doesn't affect the core finding at all.

by twa999 4y ago

emptybits 4y ago

> that's a pretty big correction Well only geographically. It's still Russian military radio traffic discussing murders of civilians, is it not? Just maybe not in Bucha.

twa999 4y ago
_definitely_ not it Bucha.
- ahahahahah 4y ago
  Where do you possibly get that idea? Do you not know that Bucha is part of the region north of Kyiv? Even if you wanted to quibble over the meaning of words, the article is very clear about it: > radio traffic from Russian military personnel in the region north of Kyiv, where Bucha is located
OrvalWintermute 4y ago
The Western Ukrainians (AFU), who are fighting vs the Eastern Ukrainians (LPR & DPR), and the Russian Army (Moscow Regime) all speak Russian, and have similar radio equipment. With the exception of the new Western new radio gear that the Western Ukrainians CIA-supported units have fielded, they are all using similar stuff. Given they all speak Russian with minimal difference, it is premature to say which force is doing what where in the middle of a contested warzone.
- polotics 4y ago
  Please be very careful with the trolling. In a past life I had contact with teams returning from Kossovo having handled mass graves there, identifying corpses, getting information to investigators, these ones then talking with families, piecing through what exactly happened. Some of the affected persons, still alive 30 years on, with only the memory of their raped 10 years old daughter, are at it and anyone associated with the deeds, even if the perpetrators have long ago been peeled, are still after associates, even if only just in propaganda associates.
  - OrvalWintermute 4y ago
    > Please be very careful with the trolling This is not trolling. Maybe you shouldn't be so flippant about making accusations like that. > In a past life I had contact with teams returning from Kossovo having handled mass graves there, identifying corpses, getting information to investigators, these ones then talking with families, piecing through what exactly happened. Some of the affected persons, still alive 30 years on, with only the memory of their raped 10 years old daughter, are at it and anyone associated with the deeds, even if the perpetrators have long ago been peeled, are still after associates, even if only just in propaganda associates. I too, did "peace enforcement" in the Balkans as a uniformed member of the US military in a NATO unit. Who were the allies of NATO in executing the peace enforcement? Russians. How quickly people forget this, in the "Rah Rah Rah EvilRussianz" media blitz. However, you are comparing genocidal conflicts in the Balkans, with a war that is essentially a defensive move by the Russians to prevent encroachment into their sphere of influence & sphere of control. Wars are brutal, horrible things. NATO should not be in the business of fomenting revolutions, "Color Revolutions", Regional destabilization, or encroaching on regional powers turf where we have no clear national interest. And no, we hate Putin is not a National Interest. NATO has been supporting the Western Ukrainians in Kiev, and assisting the coup, in attacking the Eastern Ukrainians for a number of years now. We should not be in that business. We would not tolerate Mexico or Canada becoming a Chinese military base, any more than we did missiles in Cuba [1] [1] https://history.state.gov/milestones/1961-1968/cuban-missile-crisis https://history.state.gov/milestones/1961-1968/cuban-missile...

martythemaniak 4y ago

Is it really that important which particular town they massacred people in?

twa999 4y ago
aaron695 4y ago

tablespoon 4y ago

> that's a pretty big correction. No, it isn't. It doesn't affect the core finding at all.