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Eh, there have been quite a lot of good Electron apps lately. Where do you draw the line exactly? edit: spelling

by fesc 4y ago

criddell 4y ago
Even very well written Electron apps consume a lot more battery and memory and are less responsive than very well written native apps. It's the nature of the technology.
bromuro 4y ago
> Where do you draw the line exactly? UI guidelines from Apple.
- lucsky 4y ago
  That even Apple regularly does not follow. Yeah. Great example... :>
flamwenco 4y ago
Please, name a _single_ good Electron app besides VSCode. I'll wait.
- Turing_Machine 4y ago
  In most cases the choice is not between an Electron app and an (imaginary) "good" app. The choice is between an Electron app and no app at all.
  - flamwenco 4y ago
    Sure, I understand that. But that's not what the parent was saying. The parent was saying there have been a number of good Electron apps recently. The only Electron app I ever see anyone hold up as good is VSCode, an app that makes a herculean effort to mitigate the latency and performance problems that Electron apps usually have. If the choice is between an Electron app and no app at all? I would rather the Electron app not lie to my face that it's a real application. No one expects a website in your browser to follow system conventions perfectly or behave like any other app on your system would. That expectation instantly and reasonably changes the moment it has its own application icon and windows, and Electron apps don't give a shit. I would rather not need to have Teams and Slack both installed and chewing up my CPU and GPU at work just because they both decided they're special enough to try and claim all of my resources.
    - pizza234 4y ago
      > VSCode, an app that makes a herculean effort to mitigate the latency and performance problems that Electron apps usually have. Can you point to the parts of the program (source) that implement such optimizations? I'm curious, in particular, about how other editors solve the performance problems.
      - Jensson 4y ago
        Large parts of VSCode is implemented in C++ and running webassembly to avoid the problems with electron. An electron app that doesn't have parts in webassembly can't be as good as VSCode.
        pizza234 4y ago
        Can you point to such files in the VSC repository? The `src` directory doesn't contain any.
- Macha 4y ago
  Notion, Obsidian, and the like are getting pretty popular and are all Electron based. Postman was good after the Chrome App -> Electron port, though now they've bloated it to do more upsells.
- coffeeling 4y ago
  Obsidian.md

Eh, there have been quite a lot of good Electron apps lately. Where do you draw the line exactly? edit: spelling

by fesc 4y ago

Eh, there have been quite a lot of good Electron apps lately. Where do you draw the line exactly? edit: spelling

Even very well written Electron apps consume a lot more battery and memory and are less responsive than very well written native apps. It's the nature of the technology.

bromuro 4y ago

> Where do you draw the line exactly? UI guidelines from Apple.

lucsky 4y ago
That even Apple regularly does not follow. Yeah. Great example... :>

flamwenco 4y ago

Please, name a _single_ good Electron app besides VSCode. I'll wait.

Turing_Machine 4y ago
In most cases the choice is not between an Electron app and an (imaginary) "good" app. The choice is between an Electron app and no app at all.
- flamwenco 4y ago
  Sure, I understand that. But that's not what the parent was saying. The parent was saying there have been a number of good Electron apps recently. The only Electron app I ever see anyone hold up as good is VSCode, an app that makes a herculean effort to mitigate the latency and performance problems that Electron apps usually have. If the choice is between an Electron app and no app at all? I would rather the Electron app not lie to my face that it's a real application. No one expects a website in your browser to follow system conventions perfectly or behave like any other app on your system would. That expectation instantly and reasonably changes the moment it has its own application icon and windows, and Electron apps don't give a shit. I would rather not need to have Teams and Slack both installed and chewing up my CPU and GPU at work just because they both decided they're special enough to try and claim all of my resources.
  - pizza234 4y ago
    > VSCode, an app that makes a herculean effort to mitigate the latency and performance problems that Electron apps usually have. Can you point to the parts of the program (source) that implement such optimizations? I'm curious, in particular, about how other editors solve the performance problems.
    - Jensson 4y ago
      Large parts of VSCode is implemented in C++ and running webassembly to avoid the problems with electron. An electron app that doesn't have parts in webassembly can't be as good as VSCode.
      - pizza234 4y ago
        Can you point to such files in the VSC repository? The `src` directory doesn't contain any.
Macha 4y ago
Notion, Obsidian, and the like are getting pretty popular and are all Electron based. Postman was good after the Chrome App -> Electron port, though now they've bloated it to do more upsells.
coffeeling 4y ago
Obsidian.md