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Funny that the current Apple CEO is more of a "sales" than a creative guy.

microtonal 5y ago
I don't see why that is relevant. The point was that if companies have a monopoly in a product category, improving the product doesn't make the company more successful. Since macOS and iOS do not have a worldwide monopoly, Apple (and thus Tim Cook) have to improve the product for the customer to gain more marketshare. I think Apple's problem was that one designer that was a fan of excessive minimalism wasn't matched enough by a counterforce. Now that Ive is gone, Apple takes a more functional approach to product design. E.g. the MacBook Pro has useful ports again.
qqtt 5y ago
Probably helps that Tim Cook was mentored by Jobs himself for more than a decade and personally saw the rot set in at IBM first hand.
everly 5y ago
My understanding is that Tim Cook’s expertise and experience lies in operations/logistics I don’t think it’s accurate to call him “more of a sales guy”
- 1_player 5y ago
  I don't think operations/logistics is a creative type role. It's striking deals with manufacturing companies and optimising costs (of course very simplified for a company the size of Apple). To me that sounds like sales.
  - kbelder 5y ago
    I think it's a mistake to think that sales & marketing can't be a creative role. There are bean counters in every department, including engineering.
  - everly 5y ago
    Agreed that it's not necessarily a creative type role, though I don't think it's a stretch to say that creativity would help find new methods of optimising costs. My mental model of TC is based on a not-very-recent reading of Steve Jobs' bio but it did not leave me with the impression that he was a dealmaker, more of a behind-the-scenes director coming up with innovative ways for Apple to optimise time/costs. I may be wrong though. In any case, I think the actual rub is that sales vs creative is a false dichotomy; operations/logistics may not be a creative role but it also doesn't fit the sales profile in that dichotomy (imho).
kalleboo 5y ago
Certainly it's tempting to call Cook "the Ballmer of Apple" but things are far more complicated than that. For instance, all the Jony Ive focus on purity of product design over actual end-user marketability in the MacBook line happened under Cook
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Eddy_Viscosity2 5y ago
Not so much funny as inevitable.
hajile 5y ago
I thought Jobs was the sales guy and Cook was the logistics bean counter.

I don't see why that is relevant. The point was that if companies have a monopoly in a product category, improving the product doesn't make the company more successful. Since macOS and iOS do not have a worldwide monopoly, Apple (and thus Tim Cook) have to improve the product for the customer to gain more marketshare. I think Apple's problem was that one designer that was a fan of excessive minimalism wasn't matched enough by a counterforce. Now that Ive is gone, Apple takes a more functional approach to product design. E.g. the MacBook Pro has useful ports again.

qqtt 5y ago

Probably helps that Tim Cook was mentored by Jobs himself for more than a decade and personally saw the rot set in at IBM first hand.

everly 5y ago

My understanding is that Tim Cook’s expertise and experience lies in operations/logistics I don’t think it’s accurate to call him “more of a sales guy”

1_player 5y ago
I don't think operations/logistics is a creative type role. It's striking deals with manufacturing companies and optimising costs (of course very simplified for a company the size of Apple). To me that sounds like sales.
- kbelder 5y ago
  I think it's a mistake to think that sales & marketing can't be a creative role. There are bean counters in every department, including engineering.
- everly 5y ago
  Agreed that it's not necessarily a creative type role, though I don't think it's a stretch to say that creativity would help find new methods of optimising costs. My mental model of TC is based on a not-very-recent reading of Steve Jobs' bio but it did not leave me with the impression that he was a dealmaker, more of a behind-the-scenes director coming up with innovative ways for Apple to optimise time/costs. I may be wrong though. In any case, I think the actual rub is that sales vs creative is a false dichotomy; operations/logistics may not be a creative role but it also doesn't fit the sales profile in that dichotomy (imho).

kalleboo 5y ago

Certainly it's tempting to call Cook "the Ballmer of Apple" but things are far more complicated than that. For instance, all the Jony Ive focus on purity of product design over actual end-user marketability in the MacBook line happened under Cook

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Eddy_Viscosity2 5y ago

Not so much funny as inevitable.

hajile 5y ago

I thought Jobs was the sales guy and Cook was the logistics bean counter.