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totaling 8 now .. but in the end will need another one really going down bad to stop all the sudden pro-nuclear movement here in Europe, which I can imagine onl

by lb0 5y ago

totaling 8 now .. but in the end will need another one really going down bad to stop all the sudden pro-nuclear movement here in Europe, which I can imagine only must have some astroturfing behind. But til then, blow more money into insurable and as much green as coal and gas power plants :( (And that calculations done by real experts didn't even include all the other uneconomic issues from getting that stuff from somewhere til storing the waste - but yeah I know, all these waste will be taken by those new shiny molten reactors that have no problem at all on paper and will eat all the waste - both things just so far from reality in practice, which almost does not exist even). The common stance and knowledge here at HN about all this is consternating :(

thatfrenchguy 5y ago
> But til then, blow more money into insurable and as much green as coal and gas power plants :( Nuclear plants don't emit CO2, unlike coal and gas plants.
- psychoslave 5y ago
  But they do generate (human-)life-threatening nuclear wastes that last 100k years. That dwarfs even the longest human civilization like Egypt[0]. 100k ago, humankind was barely appearing. Plastic in comparison takes around 450 years to be disaggregated through exo-human processes[1]. How to deal properly with these wastes is still a vigorous debate generator[2]. The thing is, with our current theoretical knowledge and practical expertise, we don’t have solutions that scale at the industrial level at which nuclear wastes are produced. Not in a way that we can say "and thus mankind will be completely free of dealing with this issue in the next 100k year". [0] https://pintsofhistory.com/2011/08/08/the-unbelievable-duration-of-egyptian-civilization/ https://pintsofhistory.com/2011/08/08/the-unbelievable-durat... and you might have a look at https://www.historians.org/about-aha-and-membership/aha-history-and-archives/gi-roundtable-series/pamphlets/em-42-our-chinese-ally-(1944)/the-oldest-living-civilization https://www.historians.org/about-aha-and-membership/aha-hist... [1] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/11/chart-of-the-day-this-is-how-long-everyday-plastic-items-last-in-the-ocean/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/11/chart-of-the-day-this... [2] https://www.challenges.fr/top-news/l-asn-pointe-un-risque-d-incendie-au-site-d-enfouissage-de-bure_560241 https://www.challenges.fr/top-news/l-asn-pointe-un-risque-d-...

by lb0 5y ago

thatfrenchguy 5y ago

> But til then, blow more money into insurable and as much green as coal and gas power plants :( Nuclear plants don't emit CO2, unlike coal and gas plants.

psychoslave 5y ago
But they do generate (human-)life-threatening nuclear wastes that last 100k years. That dwarfs even the longest human civilization like Egypt[0]. 100k ago, humankind was barely appearing. Plastic in comparison takes around 450 years to be disaggregated through exo-human processes[1]. How to deal properly with these wastes is still a vigorous debate generator[2]. The thing is, with our current theoretical knowledge and practical expertise, we don’t have solutions that scale at the industrial level at which nuclear wastes are produced. Not in a way that we can say "and thus mankind will be completely free of dealing with this issue in the next 100k year". [0] https://pintsofhistory.com/2011/08/08/the-unbelievable-duration-of-egyptian-civilization/ https://pintsofhistory.com/2011/08/08/the-unbelievable-durat... and you might have a look at https://www.historians.org/about-aha-and-membership/aha-history-and-archives/gi-roundtable-series/pamphlets/em-42-our-chinese-ally-(1944)/the-oldest-living-civilization https://www.historians.org/about-aha-and-membership/aha-hist... [1] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/11/chart-of-the-day-this-is-how-long-everyday-plastic-items-last-in-the-ocean/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/11/chart-of-the-day-this... [2] https://www.challenges.fr/top-news/l-asn-pointe-un-risque-d-incendie-au-site-d-enfouissage-de-bure_560241 https://www.challenges.fr/top-news/l-asn-pointe-un-risque-d-...