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I worked for a bit for chess.com. Your assumption about "bottom-of-the-barrel" Indian devs is heartless and also incorrect. Be better please.
by loungin 5y ago
I worked for a bit for chess.com. Your assumption about "bottom-of-the-barrel" Indian devs is heartless and also incorrect. Be better please.
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- zionic 5y agoHiring devs who are bottom of the barrel and located in India (super low CoL) =/= claiming all Indian devs are bottom of the barrel. Please try not to jump to racism accusations immediately, it makes the world a worse place. It even goes directly against the rules here at HN, where you are instructed to take the best interpretation of someone’s comment.
- yunohn 5y ago
- Jensson 5y agoThere is no harassment here. The natural reading of the post is that he refers to develops stationed in India. India has very low cost for developers, so that is where you go to buy cheap. And then if you take the cheapest developers in India, you have a known value, which is what anyone who reads the post would read it as. You go out of your way here to assume bad intention, this isn't some kind of "I really hate trash Indian developers taking our jobs!" kind of post, it is harder to assume bad intentions than assume good intentions here.
- yunohn 5y ago
- OrvalWintermute 5y agoI don't think HackerNews is the correct venue for your ideological posting style. The rules here, https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html , are designed with a purpose. Suggest you reread them.
- wolfgang42 5y agoI agree on the sentiment, but quoting from your own link: > Be kind. Don't be snarky.... Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.
- dabei 5y agoYou are right logically. However given the amount of confusion in this thread surely you can see a lot of people _feel_ offended. It’s worth thinking about how to avoid such ambiguity in the future.
- nibles_and_bits 5y ago
- rgoulter 5y agoI'm worried that, as far as you go to avoid offending others, people might go further to be offended, if "being offended" means "I get to silence others".
- PieUser 5y agoBut they deliberately chose to point out "Indians" and "Westerners", using a subpar adjective for the former. What gives? Sounds like casual racism to me.
- Jensson 5y agoA common thing companies does is fire their expensive developers and outsource development to a cheap country. And those companies usually pick the cheapest developers in the country they outsourced to, hence "bottom of the barrel Indian developers", implying you aren't competing with Googles Indian office but you pick the cheapest people you can find there. And "western product managers" refers to the people who did the outsourcing. The example might have been a bit too real for your liking, but there is no value judgement here about either group. Or rather, it is a judgement against those western product managers who think it is a good idea to fish for the bottom of the barrel developers anywhere, you can get great developers in India if you pay like Google, Google didn't lower their bar in India. Just that companies that decides to outsource doesn't do it to find quality, they do it to find cheap headcount.
- nextaccountic 5y agoThis just means Chess.com outspends Lichess by an even larger margin.
- W0lf 5y agoI interpret OP‘s comment rather as an intersection, not a union of the targeted dev group. Your last sentence however sounds passive aggressive to me, which I rather don’t want to read here on HN