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Scientists sign “Open letter to Spotify” re:Joe Rogan misinformation

20 points by xriddle 5y ago

julienreszka 5y ago
It's like those open letters about climate change. won't change anything
kderbyma 5y ago
this is like cherry picking people imo. I found a couple who seem to be working in Alzheimer's research, so not sure what triggered them...
verdverm 5y ago
This letter is more of a misinformation than JRE.
- xriddle 5y ago
  care to elaborate
  - verdverm 5y ago
    For one, Joe Rogan is not transphobic. If they perpetuate that misinformation, you should be skeptical of the rest. I'm not going to spend time on the rest of the falsehoods. Joe is not always right in every moment with every statement, but he does correct himself when new information is presented to him. He talks a lot about this. He wouldn't have the number one podcast if he wasn't genuine and a good person. I recommend listening to several whole episodes on topics of interest to you, rather than taking what a sound bite oriented, context avoiding, secondary source is saying.
    - mike00632 5y ago
      >Joe Rogan is not transphobic... What makes you say this? Isn't he one of the biggest culture warriors who demonizes trans people, i.e. claiming they are a big problem when they really aren't? He takes sides firmly against trans people participating in society like cis people do. You can't really get more transphobic than that. Nobody would really care about being around trans people if influencers like Joe Rogan didn't say they were an inherent problem that need to be dealt with. He cites the accomplishments of trans people in sports as if that is a problem in and of itself... trans people succeeding. Like just the thought of a trans person doing well is enough to set Joe Rogan off and stir up his millions of followers into an anti-trans rage.
shock 5y ago
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LinuxBender 5y ago
I am looking forward to seeing a detailed list created by these doctors and scientists with time stamps from the interviews that counter or refute the statements with references both with the interview of Dr. Malone and the interview with Dr. Peter McCullough. If there are alternate sides to the story then we should all have access to them and hear what the medical community have to say. Even better might be if the medical community put forth some doctors to be interviewed on these podcasts.
- arrakis2021 5y ago
  This. Rogan has had numerous pro-vax mandate doctors and guests on the show. These scientists are free to ask to come on the JRE and share their views. It seems unreasonable that listeners shouldn’t be allowed to hear any other viewpoints.
  - Proven 5y ago
  - mike00632 5y ago
    Here "other viewpoints" means advising to take poisonous, non-FDA-aproved, ineffective horse tranquilizer instead of real medicine to fight a deadly disease during a pandemic.
    - uavinagigglem8 5y ago
      Are you referring to ivermectin?
      - DannyCasolaro 5y ago
        What, you haven't heard of the ketamine early treatment protocols?
        uavinagigglem8 5y ago
shock 5y ago
https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://spotifyopenletter.wordpress.com/2022/01/10/an-open-letter-to-spotify/ https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://spotifyopenletter.word... Let the list of names be part of the public record "forever".
awb 5y ago
Just a reminder: JRE is entertainment. The root problem isn’t Rogan (or hundreds of talk show hosts like him), it’s the desire to consume entertainment instead of information, and the willingness to trust entertainers instead of experts. But while that’s a huge problem that can’t be easily solved, it’s easy to go after Rogan. After all, he started out interviewing with tons of curiosity, but since COVID/BLM/2020 election, his show has turned into an echo chamber where he willingly abandoned his curiosity and critical thinking and jumps on the bandwagon of whatever ideology he feels like promoting that week. He was a Charlie Rose for the common man, now he’s more like a Hannity for the common man.
xriddle 5y ago
FWIW- Story picked up by NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/01/14/world/omicron-covid-vaccine-tests/medical-professionals-urge-spotify-to-crack-down-on-covid-misinformation https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/01/14/world/omicron-covid-...

20 points by xriddle 5y ago

It's like those open letters about climate change. won't change anything

this is like cherry picking people imo. I found a couple who seem to be working in Alzheimer's research, so not sure what triggered them...

verdverm 5y ago

This letter is more of a misinformation than JRE.

xriddle 5y ago
care to elaborate
- verdverm 5y ago
  For one, Joe Rogan is not transphobic. If they perpetuate that misinformation, you should be skeptical of the rest. I'm not going to spend time on the rest of the falsehoods. Joe is not always right in every moment with every statement, but he does correct himself when new information is presented to him. He talks a lot about this. He wouldn't have the number one podcast if he wasn't genuine and a good person. I recommend listening to several whole episodes on topics of interest to you, rather than taking what a sound bite oriented, context avoiding, secondary source is saying.
  - mike00632 5y ago
    >Joe Rogan is not transphobic... What makes you say this? Isn't he one of the biggest culture warriors who demonizes trans people, i.e. claiming they are a big problem when they really aren't? He takes sides firmly against trans people participating in society like cis people do. You can't really get more transphobic than that. Nobody would really care about being around trans people if influencers like Joe Rogan didn't say they were an inherent problem that need to be dealt with. He cites the accomplishments of trans people in sports as if that is a problem in and of itself... trans people succeeding. Like just the thought of a trans person doing well is enough to set Joe Rogan off and stir up his millions of followers into an anti-trans rage.

shock 5y ago

https://ethercalc.net/re2l1v220w1r https://ethercalc.net/re2l1v220w1r

LinuxBender 5y ago

I am looking forward to seeing a detailed list created by these doctors and scientists with time stamps from the interviews that counter or refute the statements with references both with the interview of Dr. Malone and the interview with Dr. Peter McCullough. If there are alternate sides to the story then we should all have access to them and hear what the medical community have to say. Even better might be if the medical community put forth some doctors to be interviewed on these podcasts.

arrakis2021 5y ago
This. Rogan has had numerous pro-vax mandate doctors and guests on the show. These scientists are free to ask to come on the JRE and share their views. It seems unreasonable that listeners shouldn’t be allowed to hear any other viewpoints.
- Proven 5y ago
- mike00632 5y ago
  Here "other viewpoints" means advising to take poisonous, non-FDA-aproved, ineffective horse tranquilizer instead of real medicine to fight a deadly disease during a pandemic.
  - uavinagigglem8 5y ago
    Are you referring to ivermectin?
    - DannyCasolaro 5y ago
      What, you haven't heard of the ketamine early treatment protocols?
      - uavinagigglem8 5y ago

shock 5y ago

https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://spotifyopenletter.wordpress.com/2022/01/10/an-open-letter-to-spotify/ https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://spotifyopenletter.word... Let the list of names be part of the public record "forever".

awb 5y ago

Just a reminder: JRE is entertainment. The root problem isn’t Rogan (or hundreds of talk show hosts like him), it’s the desire to consume entertainment instead of information, and the willingness to trust entertainers instead of experts. But while that’s a huge problem that can’t be easily solved, it’s easy to go after Rogan. After all, he started out interviewing with tons of curiosity, but since COVID/BLM/2020 election, his show has turned into an echo chamber where he willingly abandoned his curiosity and critical thinking and jumps on the bandwagon of whatever ideology he feels like promoting that week. He was a Charlie Rose for the common man, now he’s more like a Hannity for the common man.

xriddle 5y ago

FWIW- Story picked up by NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/01/14/world/omicron-covid-vaccine-tests/medical-professionals-urge-spotify-to-crack-down-on-covid-misinformation https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/01/14/world/omicron-covid-...