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Man, the democrats are really trying to hand republicans every election for the next decade.

by oxymoran 5y ago

guerrilla 5y ago
Not that I disagree, but how does this particular thing factor into that?
- akomtu 5y ago
  This Jan6 committee doesn't look legit, to be honest. Issuing subpoenas and jail time for ignoring those subpoenas is the courts' territory. I dont understand how a bunch of legislators, who were elected to write laws, created an "emergency committee" with judical and executive powers.
  - jsnell 5y ago
    Isn't this power already a well-established (though also fictional) part of the US system? What I mean by the parenthetical statement is that while the legislative branch does have an established right to ask the disclosure of information, their power to actually compel is limited. Without cooperation from the other branches of government, what they directly control is a handful of operatives who maintain no facilities for detaining people for the long term.
  - ModernMech 5y ago
    To be clear, the Jan 6 Committee sent criminal referrals to the DoJ, so the judicial system is the one deciding the fate of these individuals, not the Committee. In fact Steve Bannon's due process has been preserved; he has a court date set and he is currently free on bail. Mark Meadows has not been charged yet, but that will also be decided by the DoJ. It's worth pointing out though, that Congress does in fact have a power of inherent contempt that enables them to enforce their own subpoenas. This is a separation of powers concern: what if Congress needs to subpoena someone in the Executive branch or DoJ in particular?
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    THey are the only thing standing between us and a fascist government beginning in 2024 when Trump is reelected. If they don't take down his coup attempt and get him banned from office for life, this country as we know it is over.
- newaccount2021 5y ago
Bhilai 5y ago
Man, I wish I could vote for some sane republicans but as its turning out their complicity or silence on Jan 6 is making me believe that entire party is unhinged like Trump.
- leetcrew 5y ago
  it's not clever to go out of your way to piss off the base of the last guy from your team that won. clearly the democrats understand that, seeing as we are currently experiencing Obama's third term.
  - Bhilai 5y ago
    Tired of this dont piss the crowd who lost line of thinking. Well, the crowd who won in a fair election is also pissed because the side who lost doesn't want to accept their defeat and move on.
    - dukeofdoom 5y ago
      Hello Russiagate, Impeachments ... how long did those go on. Increasing trust in the outcome would go a long way. How about trying to make the election more verifiable. Put it some real biometric features into mail out ballots. Instead we get, no id required to vote. Doesn't really build trust.
      - Bhilai 5y ago
        There was simply no fraud at the scale of what you seem to be intending. Most claims of fraud were investigated multiple times (AZ, MI, WI ...) and no evidence has come up which would prove baseless claims of Trump et al. Most states where Trump et al are claiming fraud already have voting ID laws. Just because your guy did not win does not mean the process in not trust worthy.
        dukeofdoom 5y ago
        It absolutely is not trustworthy. Evidence by a third of democrats not trusting the results. There's no biometrics in the ballots to match them to a unique voter once it leaves the envelope. So you can't audit it back to a person, best you can do is recount the same result. Hence why I think mail in ballot results are suspect in any country. I'm not American, so I'm not swayed by part allegiance. What I did see is 3 am mail in ballot reversals in multiple cities at ridiculous high skewed percentages. A wildly popular president, the most popular in history, 81 million votes, that somehow is barely polling in the 30%s. Winning the fewest precincts in history yet breaking record for the most votes. More black people voting in record numbers much higher than for Obama in downtown Detroit for him. It smells like a Putin election. Except Putin is actually popular in his country unlike Biden.
commandlinefan 5y ago
if the republicans nominate anybody except for Trump. A lot of us suspect they’re going to try to tie this to Trump to bar him from ever holding office again. If so, they’ll have won the battle but lost the war - but honestly, I suspect they’re all political insiders (democrats and republicans alike) and really don’t care much which party holds power as long as it’s one of them.
- davesque 5y ago
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  - clarge1120 5y ago
    Unhinged psychopath. Flammable language.
    - davesque 5y ago
      I'm willing to spend a few internet points to say things that people don't want to hear.

Man, the democrats are really trying to hand republicans every election for the next decade.

guerrilla 5y ago

Not that I disagree, but how does this particular thing factor into that?

akomtu 5y ago
This Jan6 committee doesn't look legit, to be honest. Issuing subpoenas and jail time for ignoring those subpoenas is the courts' territory. I dont understand how a bunch of legislators, who were elected to write laws, created an "emergency committee" with judical and executive powers.
- jsnell 5y ago
  Isn't this power already a well-established (though also fictional) part of the US system? What I mean by the parenthetical statement is that while the legislative branch does have an established right to ask the disclosure of information, their power to actually compel is limited. Without cooperation from the other branches of government, what they directly control is a handful of operatives who maintain no facilities for detaining people for the long term.
- ModernMech 5y ago
  To be clear, the Jan 6 Committee sent criminal referrals to the DoJ, so the judicial system is the one deciding the fate of these individuals, not the Committee. In fact Steve Bannon's due process has been preserved; he has a court date set and he is currently free on bail. Mark Meadows has not been charged yet, but that will also be decided by the DoJ. It's worth pointing out though, that Congress does in fact have a power of inherent contempt that enables them to enforce their own subpoenas. This is a separation of powers concern: what if Congress needs to subpoena someone in the Executive branch or DoJ in particular?
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  THey are the only thing standing between us and a fascist government beginning in 2024 when Trump is reelected. If they don't take down his coup attempt and get him banned from office for life, this country as we know it is over.
newaccount2021 5y ago

Bhilai 5y ago

Man, I wish I could vote for some sane republicans but as its turning out their complicity or silence on Jan 6 is making me believe that entire party is unhinged like Trump.

leetcrew 5y ago
it's not clever to go out of your way to piss off the base of the last guy from your team that won. clearly the democrats understand that, seeing as we are currently experiencing Obama's third term.
- Bhilai 5y ago
  Tired of this dont piss the crowd who lost line of thinking. Well, the crowd who won in a fair election is also pissed because the side who lost doesn't want to accept their defeat and move on.
  - dukeofdoom 5y ago
    Hello Russiagate, Impeachments ... how long did those go on. Increasing trust in the outcome would go a long way. How about trying to make the election more verifiable. Put it some real biometric features into mail out ballots. Instead we get, no id required to vote. Doesn't really build trust.
    - Bhilai 5y ago
      There was simply no fraud at the scale of what you seem to be intending. Most claims of fraud were investigated multiple times (AZ, MI, WI ...) and no evidence has come up which would prove baseless claims of Trump et al. Most states where Trump et al are claiming fraud already have voting ID laws. Just because your guy did not win does not mean the process in not trust worthy.
      - dukeofdoom 5y ago
        It absolutely is not trustworthy. Evidence by a third of democrats not trusting the results. There's no biometrics in the ballots to match them to a unique voter once it leaves the envelope. So you can't audit it back to a person, best you can do is recount the same result. Hence why I think mail in ballot results are suspect in any country. I'm not American, so I'm not swayed by part allegiance. What I did see is 3 am mail in ballot reversals in multiple cities at ridiculous high skewed percentages. A wildly popular president, the most popular in history, 81 million votes, that somehow is barely polling in the 30%s. Winning the fewest precincts in history yet breaking record for the most votes. More black people voting in record numbers much higher than for Obama in downtown Detroit for him. It smells like a Putin election. Except Putin is actually popular in his country unlike Biden.

commandlinefan 5y ago

if the republicans nominate anybody except for Trump. A lot of us suspect they’re going to try to tie this to Trump to bar him from ever holding office again. If so, they’ll have won the battle but lost the war - but honestly, I suspect they’re all political insiders (democrats and republicans alike) and really don’t care much which party holds power as long as it’s one of them.

davesque 5y ago
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- clarge1120 5y ago
  Unhinged psychopath. Flammable language.
  - davesque 5y ago
    I'm willing to spend a few internet points to say things that people don't want to hear.