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It goes way beyond checklist stuff. Imagine having an intermediate system in your Tesla, one between fully manual and the autopilot. This system uses the navig
by omegant 5y ago
It goes way beyond checklist stuff.
Imagine having an intermediate system in your Tesla, one between fully manual and the autopilot. This system uses the navigation capabilities of the autopilot to draw in the big screen some squares that guide you to your destination without the need to look outside. Something you may find in a videogame. This system is helpfull and easy to use, and allows you to pay attention to more important matters.
Well, now imagine getting so used to this system that you forget how to drive without the squares telling you what to do every single moment. So used that if the squares guide you to drive straight to a wall at 100mph you do it without hesitation.
This is what supposedly happened in this case. The flight director is there to help you, but you are supposed to know how to fly without it.
When you rotate an airliner the initial pitch is around 15 degrees nose up, that way your rate of climb and the optimal climb speed is maintained.
They kept the nose almost horizontal, against any natural instinct for a pilot. They almost overrun the runway without rotating, and they barely rotated just enough to be able to keep the flight director centered in their screen.
It seems that the speed went beyond the structural limit of the tyres (around 200 kts) and if they didn’t retract the flaps, beyond their structural limit too. And then they proceeded to fly almost scratching the obstacles in their path.
Why does something like this happpens? Because in an airline like Emirates actual piloting skills are actively punished!. You are not allowed to fly the plane manually, nor disconect automatic systems if they are available.
They expect robot like precission applying procedures, modern airliners log dozens of instruments and have automatic reports when procedure limitation are exceeding (is a big brother like work environment). This may seem a good philosophy, but it actually creates an situation where pilots loose necessary skills, and when computers or procedures fail, as they often do in airplanes, pilots are not able to react properly anymore.
I’m sure Emirates will punish the pilots and will set new procedures over the current ones, to try to avoid this kind of situations in the future. They will solve nothing, they will only make it worse. Is a culture of fear and punishment. This also happens in other middle east airlines like Qatar. Airlines in Asia are making this mistake too.
In contrast airlines in the US and Europe (except Ryanair and some other British carriers) give pilots much more freedom regarding manual flight, which helps them to keep their skills honed.
Hope this gives a different perspective on the problem. The wrong altitude selection is the minor of the problems in this case IMHO.
I am an Airline captain with 22 years of experience (737, MD88, A320, A330 and A340) and more than 14k flight hours.
Edit, some typos and making a couple of sentences more clear.
- Simon_O_Rourke 5y agoI would like to know what the Ryanair pilots are ordered to do by their higher ups. Been on a few of them in Europe and they all hit the runway pretty hard coming back down.
- throwawayboise 5y agoI think GP is saying that Ryanair demands that pilots use the automation to the fullest extent, and disallows "hand flying" (with an exeption, one presumes, for when the automatic systems fail, and a hope that the pilots remember how to hand fly).
- alamortsubite 5y agoNavy pilot vs Air Force pilot.
- p_l 5y agoRyanair is not exactly recruiting from USNavy
- brigandish 5y agoThe UK has aircraft carriers too.
- p_l 5y agoBut a) not Ireland b) the amount of carrier pilots is low c) The intake of new pilots in EU no longer involves a military-to-airline kind of pipeline, especially with explosion in low-cost and charter airlines
- redis_mlc 5y agoFYI: firm landings are actually correctly done, especially with rain or drizzle. It should not feel like a crash though. The worst landing I ever had was when I landed with no sensation of touching down on the runway (a zero feet rate of descent.) Both myself and my CFI went nuts trying to figure out if we were down, or still flying along the runway and about to bounce.