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> But the Baltic republic points to its long history of standing up to bullying foreigners, including Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union Not sure about that. Ag

> But the Baltic republic points to its long history of standing up to bullying foreigners, including Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union Not sure about that. Against Soviet Union surely, but Nazis not at all.

enkid 5y ago
There were certainly resisters and collaborators with both the Soviets and the Germans.
- mantas 5y ago
  To be fair were was little anti-Nazi resistance. The general notion was that Soviets will be back in no time. So better not waste resources on fighting Nazis.
odiroot 5y ago
You better support it with some good source.
- deleted 5y ago
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lmilcin 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_occupation_of_Lithuania_during_World_War_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_occupation_of_Lithuania...
mantas 5y ago
Lithuania did sentence some Nazis in 1935 to deter Germany in Klaipėda/Memel. Then managed to hold onto it till spring of 1939. Then refused Hitler offer to join attacking Poland. In 1941-1944 people tried to stay away from Nazis and keep a fighting chance against Soviets once they’ll be back. For example Lithuanian SS division was never formed as in other occupied territories. While Germans did push for it, locals actively sabotaged it to have more men for coming anti-Soviet resistance. Now standing up to Soviets.. while 1944-1952 was pretty decent, summer of 1940 was rather sad.
- varjag 5y ago
  > Then refused Hitler offer to join attacking Poland. Which is more than what the ostensibly anti-fascist USSR did.
  - ekianjo 5y ago
    > Which is more than what the ostensibly anti-fascist USSR did. The funniest part is that when the USSR started the invade the other half of Poland right after Germany started, none of the allies declared war on the USSR while they had a protection treaty with Poland in the first place.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      I mean, of course. The alternative was that Germany takes all of Poland and gets to be more agressive against the allies. The Soviets taking half of Poland was a massive benefit for the allies.
      - mantas 5y ago
        Katyn or Rainiai or 1941 Deportations was a benefit to Allie’s too I guess :)
        sudosysgen 5y ago
        The dark truth is that probably, yes, it was a benefit to the Allies.
        mantas 5y ago
        Half of europe being behind iron curtain is beneficial to allies too. Now West got plenty of cheap workforce... Today's China is great too in a sense :) Looking at Poland army in exile, I bet if those people shot in Katyn were able to escape, that'd have helped allies more than decomposing bodies helped the local ecosystem.
      - 5y ago
neither_color 5y ago
In Lithuania, over-16s without immunity certificates proving full vaccination or recovery from Covid are banned from shopping malls, beauty salons, cafés and restaurants and indoor public events, but are permitted to shop at food, veterinary, optical stores and pharmacies, as long as these are under 1,500 square metres and have direct street access. They can also visit art and museum exhibitions and libraries. I'm not so sure about its history, but it sure doesn't have a present of standing up for the rights of its citizens. I wouldn't call it a beacon of freedom or prosperity over China. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/the-rise-of-the-unvaxxed-second-class-citizen/ar-AAQBPTv https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/the-rise-of-the-unvaxx...

enkid 5y ago

There were certainly resisters and collaborators with both the Soviets and the Germans.

mantas 5y ago
To be fair were was little anti-Nazi resistance. The general notion was that Soviets will be back in no time. So better not waste resources on fighting Nazis.

odiroot 5y ago

You better support it with some good source.

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lmilcin 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_occupation_of_Lithuania_during_World_War_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_occupation_of_Lithuania...

mantas 5y ago

Lithuania did sentence some Nazis in 1935 to deter Germany in Klaipėda/Memel. Then managed to hold onto it till spring of 1939. Then refused Hitler offer to join attacking Poland. In 1941-1944 people tried to stay away from Nazis and keep a fighting chance against Soviets once they’ll be back. For example Lithuanian SS division was never formed as in other occupied territories. While Germans did push for it, locals actively sabotaged it to have more men for coming anti-Soviet resistance. Now standing up to Soviets.. while 1944-1952 was pretty decent, summer of 1940 was rather sad.

varjag 5y ago
> Then refused Hitler offer to join attacking Poland. Which is more than what the ostensibly anti-fascist USSR did.
- ekianjo 5y ago
  > Which is more than what the ostensibly anti-fascist USSR did. The funniest part is that when the USSR started the invade the other half of Poland right after Germany started, none of the allies declared war on the USSR while they had a protection treaty with Poland in the first place.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    I mean, of course. The alternative was that Germany takes all of Poland and gets to be more agressive against the allies. The Soviets taking half of Poland was a massive benefit for the allies.
    - mantas 5y ago
      Katyn or Rainiai or 1941 Deportations was a benefit to Allie’s too I guess :)
      - sudosysgen 5y ago
        The dark truth is that probably, yes, it was a benefit to the Allies.
        mantas 5y ago
        Half of europe being behind iron curtain is beneficial to allies too. Now West got plenty of cheap workforce... Today's China is great too in a sense :) Looking at Poland army in exile, I bet if those people shot in Katyn were able to escape, that'd have helped allies more than decomposing bodies helped the local ecosystem.
    - 5y ago

neither_color 5y ago

In Lithuania, over-16s without immunity certificates proving full vaccination or recovery from Covid are banned from shopping malls, beauty salons, cafés and restaurants and indoor public events, but are permitted to shop at food, veterinary, optical stores and pharmacies, as long as these are under 1,500 square metres and have direct street access. They can also visit art and museum exhibitions and libraries. I'm not so sure about its history, but it sure doesn't have a present of standing up for the rights of its citizens. I wouldn't call it a beacon of freedom or prosperity over China. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/the-rise-of-the-unvaxxed-second-class-citizen/ar-AAQBPTv https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/the-rise-of-the-unvaxx...