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It works exactly how I think it works. As long as no one takes notice, I am free to say whatever I want. You should reflect on how much effort you spend defen

It works exactly how I think it works. As long as no one takes notice, I am free to say whatever I want. You should reflect on how much effort you spend defending such a regime all over this website, twitter, and elsewhere.

FooBarWidget 5y ago
Well you're ignoring the fact that the Chinese government is very open to criticisms and actually regularly change policies based on criticism, despite the counter-intuitive act of simultaneously censoring some critics. I have reflected and I disagree with you. Explaining how China works and presenting alternative views is not "defending [an evil] regime", thank you very much.
- tomatofarmer 5y ago
  I am not ignoring that such a thing might happen. The regime must be able to doublespeak. Allowing a small amount of safe criticism and changing policies allows those in power to deflect and convince people who aren't paying attention. Any criticism that is a legitimate threat is met with blanket censorship - as in the case of Peng Shuai - or deadly violence as in the case of Tiananmen.
  - FooBarWidget 5y ago
    You are free to disagree and I am free to disagree with you. But I am sure glad that 98% of Chinese people are happy and feel that the country is heading in the right direction, and I am glad that the world has a diverse set of governance systems.
    - miohtama 5y ago
      How do you know 98% Chinese people are happy if there is no credible, independent study? Surely any study saying Chinese are unhappy would be censored.
      - FooBarWidget 5y ago
        Here you go, independent study by York University https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/05/did-pandemic-shake-chinese-citizens-trust-their-government/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/05/did-pande...
        robbedpeter 5y ago
        This one actually made me belly laugh, thanks for that. It's not independent, a study, or by York University, it was a ccp sponsored poll performed in China, by party members, with data collated and compiled by party members. It's rare to see propaganda crumble to so delicate an interrogation, that's some primo stuff.
        FooBarWidget 5y ago
        And where do you get that it's a poll by party members? The author even explicitly stated that the survey was anonymous. The author states that their findings are consistent with other studies.
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - clove 5y ago
      >I am glad that the world has a diverse set of governance systems. Except when it comes to Taiwan, right?
      - FooBarWidget 5y ago
        I am in favor of Taiwan keeping its governance system. So...
        rdslw 5y ago
        but CCP is not, (which is easily check able), so speaks a lot about your inability to connect facts. Besides, not a reason to look at Taiwan's future, while you can look at Honk Kong past two years.
        FooBarWidget 5y ago
        What, you expect me to agree with CCP on all fronts?
        rdslw 5y ago
        Looking at your posts on HN (this topic and others) you clearly and plainly defend CCP (chinese gov) on many of it's policies (even if being atrocities), while trying to evade questions and whitewash topics. You did try defend CCP Taiwan stance. You either lie, either are (in my opinion) delusional, because your writing here 'CCP is open to criticism', on this very thread about Peng. This is nuts. Literally 30 minutes after publication of her _personal_ post, remind you she is a China citizen, the post is removed (no trial! pure force gov action) and discussion is actively blocked in China. It is a very simple cognitive task in reasoning and critical thinking, to conclude what does it mean for CCP and China in general, if there are _personal_ things not allowed to be aired there. If you can't grasp it, do a simple exercise: on your next trip to China (or ask your china based family) do a post about Peng, asking for answers, reposting her post etc -> you will be healed quickly and promptly by the very CCP. p.s. I'm just a guy, my opinion is mine, I may be wrong. Yet I observed your karma on this thread, literally hundreds of people dont agree with you on HN. I would start thinking about me if that many HN people tell me I'm wrong.
- Buttersite 5y ago
  Fuck off bootlicker
twojacobtwo 5y ago
> You should reflect on how much effort you spend defending such a regime all over this website (...) Wow, you're right about that. I thought you might have been saying it as an offhand comment, but I just looked through the 4 most recent pages of FooBarWidget's comments and only 2 comments of those listed were not directly defending or espousing CCP talking points. Potential shill? edit: Their earlier comments have a higher 'normal' to shill-esque ratio, but the greater majority of their comments that I have seen are shill-like.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  That's perfectly normal. If you're going to be accused of being a shill you might as well silo your accounts into one for serious matter and one everyone is going to adhominem into extinction.
  - Tostino 5y ago
    I know it's not kosher here to accuse others of shilling, but you are acting like it doesn't happen. It absolutely does, all the time. Less on HN than other social media, maybe, but this place is far from immune.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      I'm sure it happens in the abstract. They're definitely not a shill though. As far as we've seen China has no shill operation outside of its borders outside of bots and some vote manipulation by Chinese companies for profit.
      - bardan 5y ago
        I have personally noted a large quantity of CCP propaganda turning up on other social media. Voted up unusually high, unusually early, and by accounts that regularly wind up banned by the admins. As a normal user it can be hard to differentiate real shill accounts from motivated nationalists and/or supremacists, but it's absurd to say this sort of thing isn't likely going on, certainly not to claim any absolute knowledge of the subject.

FooBarWidget 5y ago

Well you're ignoring the fact that the Chinese government is very open to criticisms and actually regularly change policies based on criticism, despite the counter-intuitive act of simultaneously censoring some critics. I have reflected and I disagree with you. Explaining how China works and presenting alternative views is not "defending [an evil] regime", thank you very much.

tomatofarmer 5y ago
I am not ignoring that such a thing might happen. The regime must be able to doublespeak. Allowing a small amount of safe criticism and changing policies allows those in power to deflect and convince people who aren't paying attention. Any criticism that is a legitimate threat is met with blanket censorship - as in the case of Peng Shuai - or deadly violence as in the case of Tiananmen.
- FooBarWidget 5y ago
  You are free to disagree and I am free to disagree with you. But I am sure glad that 98% of Chinese people are happy and feel that the country is heading in the right direction, and I am glad that the world has a diverse set of governance systems.
  - miohtama 5y ago
    How do you know 98% Chinese people are happy if there is no credible, independent study? Surely any study saying Chinese are unhappy would be censored.
    - FooBarWidget 5y ago
      Here you go, independent study by York University https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/05/did-pandemic-shake-chinese-citizens-trust-their-government/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/05/did-pande...
      - robbedpeter 5y ago
        This one actually made me belly laugh, thanks for that. It's not independent, a study, or by York University, it was a ccp sponsored poll performed in China, by party members, with data collated and compiled by party members. It's rare to see propaganda crumble to so delicate an interrogation, that's some primo stuff.
        FooBarWidget 5y ago
        And where do you get that it's a poll by party members? The author even explicitly stated that the survey was anonymous. The author states that their findings are consistent with other studies.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - clove 5y ago
    >I am glad that the world has a diverse set of governance systems. Except when it comes to Taiwan, right?
    - FooBarWidget 5y ago
      I am in favor of Taiwan keeping its governance system. So...
      - rdslw 5y ago
        but CCP is not, (which is easily check able), so speaks a lot about your inability to connect facts. Besides, not a reason to look at Taiwan's future, while you can look at Honk Kong past two years.
        FooBarWidget 5y ago
        What, you expect me to agree with CCP on all fronts?
        rdslw 5y ago
        Looking at your posts on HN (this topic and others) you clearly and plainly defend CCP (chinese gov) on many of it's policies (even if being atrocities), while trying to evade questions and whitewash topics. You did try defend CCP Taiwan stance. You either lie, either are (in my opinion) delusional, because your writing here 'CCP is open to criticism', on this very thread about Peng. This is nuts. Literally 30 minutes after publication of her _personal_ post, remind you she is a China citizen, the post is removed (no trial! pure force gov action) and discussion is actively blocked in China. It is a very simple cognitive task in reasoning and critical thinking, to conclude what does it mean for CCP and China in general, if there are _personal_ things not allowed to be aired there. If you can't grasp it, do a simple exercise: on your next trip to China (or ask your china based family) do a post about Peng, asking for answers, reposting her post etc -> you will be healed quickly and promptly by the very CCP. p.s. I'm just a guy, my opinion is mine, I may be wrong. Yet I observed your karma on this thread, literally hundreds of people dont agree with you on HN. I would start thinking about me if that many HN people tell me I'm wrong.
Buttersite 5y ago
Fuck off bootlicker

twojacobtwo 5y ago

> You should reflect on how much effort you spend defending such a regime all over this website (...) Wow, you're right about that. I thought you might have been saying it as an offhand comment, but I just looked through the 4 most recent pages of FooBarWidget's comments and only 2 comments of those listed were not directly defending or espousing CCP talking points. Potential shill? edit: Their earlier comments have a higher 'normal' to shill-esque ratio, but the greater majority of their comments that I have seen are shill-like.

sudosysgen 5y ago
That's perfectly normal. If you're going to be accused of being a shill you might as well silo your accounts into one for serious matter and one everyone is going to adhominem into extinction.
- Tostino 5y ago
  I know it's not kosher here to accuse others of shilling, but you are acting like it doesn't happen. It absolutely does, all the time. Less on HN than other social media, maybe, but this place is far from immune.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    I'm sure it happens in the abstract. They're definitely not a shill though. As far as we've seen China has no shill operation outside of its borders outside of bots and some vote manipulation by Chinese companies for profit.
    - bardan 5y ago
      I have personally noted a large quantity of CCP propaganda turning up on other social media. Voted up unusually high, unusually early, and by accounts that regularly wind up banned by the admins. As a normal user it can be hard to differentiate real shill accounts from motivated nationalists and/or supremacists, but it's absurd to say this sort of thing isn't likely going on, certainly not to claim any absolute knowledge of the subject.