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Non-Googler: What do all those words mean? Noogler: Haha, this video is so funny! L4 SWE: (Crying because the video is so true) L5 SWE: Haha, this video is s

Non-Googler: What do all those words mean? Noogler: Haha, this video is so funny! L4 SWE: (Crying because the video is so true) L5 SWE: Haha, this video is so funny! I should show it to my interns, this will be a good training for them. L6+ SWE: Why do people think this is funny? This Broccoli Man guy makes some really good points...

belter 5y ago
L7+ SWE My life is a waste but the money is too good...
- kubb 5y ago
  This applies to every level, particularly the lower levels.
  - ikiris 5y ago
    it ain't much, but it's honest crying into piles of money
- tandr 5y ago
  How good?
  - riknos314 5y ago
    https://www.levels.fyi/company/Google/salaries/Software-Engineer/L7/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Google/salaries/Software-Engi...
    - tandr 5y ago
      /me falls from the chair.
throw1234651234 5y ago
Non-Googler: What do all those words mean? Exactly. This wasn't too relatable, even though I have the GCP Certified Architect cert.
- jjtheblunt 5y ago
  As an ex Apple person, i'd say it means there's way too much hierarchy at Google? not sure i'm reading it right though
  - flatiron 5y ago
    we still had our processes though. Radar was my least favorite, but they replaced the ant eater app with one that was at least partially usable right before i left.
    - jjtheblunt 5y ago
      we'd say, about spoken mad scientist style requests, if it's not in radar, it never existed. :)
  - q3k 5y ago
    IMO/IME it's the clash between tooling, systems and and processes designed for running long-term highly scalable and reliable services maintained by teams in multiple geographical locations and used by billions of people; and greenfield projects that just want to get things done at an early stage. Requiring multi-cluster/region, the quota/resource economy system, handling PCRs, code review, readability approval for complex configuration languages (and the existence of such complex languages in the first place) ... all of that makes sense in a vacuum and all were built to handle real problems and are likely written in the blood of a near-miss outage. But it also all comes crashing down on you when you're doing things from scratch for a relatively simple usecase that no-one really designed for.
- dpryden 5y ago
  I can't tell if this comment is implying that my comment is unclear, or if you're agreeing with the first line of my comment. In either case, though, it's an inside joke precisely because it's more relatable to those who are (or were) inside. In particular, I think it would be most funny to someone who was at Google about a decade ago; when I left Google in 2017 things had already changed enough that this didn't ring quite as true for new hires. That said, GCP is not very representative of what the internal platform looked like circa 2010. (Or even of what the internal platform looks like now, as far as I know.)
vanderZwan 5y ago
Not sure if "SWE" stands for software engineer, or "Sweden" as in Stockholm Syndrome
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- keville 5y ago
  Why not both? :sob:
- praptak 5y ago
  Random synapse activation: A few years ago there was a Swedish tourist at a hotel where I was on vacation. He had a blue-yellow hat with "SWE" written on it in Courier font. I felt an urge to steal his hat because it looked better than most of the Google-branded swag I got as a Google SWE :)
- frakkingcylons 5y ago
  Oh definitely Sweden.
cperciva 5y ago
Where does "these are really good points, but why don't we have tooling which sets everything up automatically?" fit on the scale?
- omreaderhn 5y ago
  That would be 'Xoogler' because Google's engineering and broader corporate culture does not reward work like that and so when you realize that, you leave. In general, Googlers have very little idea how far behind the rest of the industry they are when it comes to tooling. I am a Xoogler.
  - mwcampbell 5y ago
    I got the impression, based on a blog post by Eric Lawrence [1], that Google's developer tooling was top-notch (except for devs working on open-source projects like Chromium). Did it get worse since 2017, or are you talking about a different kind of tooling? [1]; https://textslashplain.com/2017/02/01/google-chrome-one-year-in/ https://textslashplain.com/2017/02/01/google-chrome-one-year...
    - throwawayfgg 5y ago
      Google's developer tooling is top-notch and amazing and constantly improving.
- cmrdporcupine 5y ago
  imho the Google interview process selects for people who thrive on organizational challenges.
- raldi 5y ago
  Or: These are really good points for a visibly-user-facing post-alpha service, but isn't it a bit overengineered for an experimental internal service whose clients can tolerate the risk of occasional downtime?
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belter 5y ago

L7+ SWE My life is a waste but the money is too good...

kubb 5y ago
This applies to every level, particularly the lower levels.
- ikiris 5y ago
  it ain't much, but it's honest crying into piles of money
tandr 5y ago
How good?
- riknos314 5y ago
  https://www.levels.fyi/company/Google/salaries/Software-Engineer/L7/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Google/salaries/Software-Engi...
  - tandr 5y ago
    /me falls from the chair.

throw1234651234 5y ago

Non-Googler: What do all those words mean? Exactly. This wasn't too relatable, even though I have the GCP Certified Architect cert.

jjtheblunt 5y ago
As an ex Apple person, i'd say it means there's way too much hierarchy at Google? not sure i'm reading it right though
- flatiron 5y ago
  we still had our processes though. Radar was my least favorite, but they replaced the ant eater app with one that was at least partially usable right before i left.
  - jjtheblunt 5y ago
    we'd say, about spoken mad scientist style requests, if it's not in radar, it never existed. :)
- q3k 5y ago
  IMO/IME it's the clash between tooling, systems and and processes designed for running long-term highly scalable and reliable services maintained by teams in multiple geographical locations and used by billions of people; and greenfield projects that just want to get things done at an early stage. Requiring multi-cluster/region, the quota/resource economy system, handling PCRs, code review, readability approval for complex configuration languages (and the existence of such complex languages in the first place) ... all of that makes sense in a vacuum and all were built to handle real problems and are likely written in the blood of a near-miss outage. But it also all comes crashing down on you when you're doing things from scratch for a relatively simple usecase that no-one really designed for.
dpryden 5y ago
I can't tell if this comment is implying that my comment is unclear, or if you're agreeing with the first line of my comment. In either case, though, it's an inside joke precisely because it's more relatable to those who are (or were) inside. In particular, I think it would be most funny to someone who was at Google about a decade ago; when I left Google in 2017 things had already changed enough that this didn't ring quite as true for new hires. That said, GCP is not very representative of what the internal platform looked like circa 2010. (Or even of what the internal platform looks like now, as far as I know.)

vanderZwan 5y ago

Not sure if "SWE" stands for software engineer, or "Sweden" as in Stockholm Syndrome

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keville 5y ago
Why not both? :sob:
praptak 5y ago
Random synapse activation: A few years ago there was a Swedish tourist at a hotel where I was on vacation. He had a blue-yellow hat with "SWE" written on it in Courier font. I felt an urge to steal his hat because it looked better than most of the Google-branded swag I got as a Google SWE :)
frakkingcylons 5y ago
Oh definitely Sweden.

cperciva 5y ago

Where does "these are really good points, but why don't we have tooling which sets everything up automatically?" fit on the scale?

omreaderhn 5y ago
That would be 'Xoogler' because Google's engineering and broader corporate culture does not reward work like that and so when you realize that, you leave. In general, Googlers have very little idea how far behind the rest of the industry they are when it comes to tooling. I am a Xoogler.
- mwcampbell 5y ago
  I got the impression, based on a blog post by Eric Lawrence [1], that Google's developer tooling was top-notch (except for devs working on open-source projects like Chromium). Did it get worse since 2017, or are you talking about a different kind of tooling? [1]; https://textslashplain.com/2017/02/01/google-chrome-one-year-in/ https://textslashplain.com/2017/02/01/google-chrome-one-year...
  - throwawayfgg 5y ago
    Google's developer tooling is top-notch and amazing and constantly improving.
cmrdporcupine 5y ago
imho the Google interview process selects for people who thrive on organizational challenges.
raldi 5y ago
Or: These are really good points for a visibly-user-facing post-alpha service, but isn't it a bit overengineered for an experimental internal service whose clients can tolerate the risk of occasional downtime?
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