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The Actually Real Scandal About Ivermectin is something like the anthropic principle but about the fact that I know that nothing positive about Ivermectin would

by d1a2n 5y ago

The Actually Real Scandal About Ivermectin is something like the anthropic principle but about the fact that I know that nothing positive about Ivermectin would ever be allowed on the Atlantic. Is Ivermectin at best barely above useless for covid? Maybe. Is it crucial and it's a crime against humanity for being suppressed? Maybe, and I'm inclined to say probably because the same people who lie about everything are mighty certain that Ivermectin is something that doesn't help covid and anyone who says otherwise is a horse paste eating moron.

pfisch 5y ago
The people saying ivermectin works are the same people saying hcq worked last year. The people pushing the vaccine are the only people who have consistently been curing serious illnesses for the last 100 years. The ivermectin group are the people who have been pushing snake oil for the last 1000 years and cured nothing.
- didjathinkmess 5y ago
  You heard it hear first: Ivermectin people have been pushing snake oil (nothing specific, just general snake oil.. like Ivermectin!) for 1000 years. Should I ask him for a source?
  - pfisch 5y ago
    There have been people pushing snake oil instead of vaccines for the entire history of vaccines. You can draw a straight line through the history of vaccination and find people pushing fake cures and drugs that are basically unsupported by solid evidence instead of vaccines.
- d1a2n 5y ago
  Wow you've really convinced me bud you definitely sound nuanced and educated, now I know that the vaccine = good and supported by smart people and ivermectin = bad and supported by dumb people, I know exactly which side I want to be on.
  - pfisch 5y ago
    The antivaxxers are all out in force pushing ivermectin, which is not well supported by evidence. I didn't say anyone was dumb, but people have been fighting against vaccines and pushing snake oil for the entire history of vaccines.
- silver-arrow 5y ago
  Curing serious disease? That’s rich.
  - dralley 5y ago
    What do you mean? Smallpox is extinct, diptheria, pertussus and polio are nearly extinct, and measles mumps and rubella would be nearly extinct if not for pockets of antivaxers creating a constant stream of outbreaks. Go look up how many diseases these people killed prior to the vaccines, and then a few years after. You are absolutely taking for granted what we've accomplished through the use of vaccines.
    - silver-arrow 5y ago
      I agree but those were scientists from the past that practiced real science. Meaning they accepted counter arguments and evidence; not just dictate. They also discovered through the scientific method that you can not vaccinate for corona viruses They also were acutely aware you should never mass vaccinate during a pandemic. They were correct and that is why you see the results in Israel, Singapore, England, and now the US, that you are seeing. That these are bad therapeutics at best. They could end up being worse. The scientist and doctors who accomplished what you enumerated are indeed out there, but their voices are being suppressed by bureaucrats that now represent crony corrupt science; like fauci.
      - tzs 5y ago
        The Israel data shows excellent effectiveness of vaccines. For every age group it shows that the chances of severe COVID are greatly lower in the vaccinated than they are in the unvaccinated. If you just look at the totals for their whole population it may not look that way because you run into a Simpson's paradox situation. That's because older people are both more likely in general to have their COVID cases be severe, and older people in Israel or more likely to be vaccinated. To illustrate, imagine a population that has 2000 young people and 2000 old people, and both groups are 50% vaccinated with a vaccine that reduces your chances of severe disease by 90%, and image we are dealing with a disease that is 20x as likely to be severe in old people than it is in young people. Let's say that 1% of young, unvaccinated people get severe disease. Here are the number of severe cases we'd expect in that population. 1 in the 1000 young vaccinated people 10 in the 1000 young unvaccinated people 20 in the 1000 old vaccinated people 200 in the 1000 old unvaccinated people If we look at the overall numbers we get 21 severe cases in vaccinated people and 210 severe cases in unvaccinated people. 9.1% of severe cases would be in vaccinated people. Now consider a population with 2000 young people and 2000 old people, with the same vaccines that reduces your chances of severe disease by 90% and where the diseases is 20x as likely to be severe in old people, but in this population 90% of the old people are vaccinated but the young are still only 50% vaccinated. Here are the number of severe cases we'd expect in that population. 1 in the 1000 young vaccinated people 10 in the 1000 young unvaccinated people 36 in the 1800 old vaccinated people 40 in the 200 old unvaccinated people Now for the overall population we get 37 severe cases in vaccinated people and 50 severe cases in unvaccinated people. 42.6% of cases would be in vaccinated people. If the young people also get vaccinated at the same 90% rate as the old people, here are the numbers for severe cases. 1.8 in the 1800 young vaccinated people 2 in the 200 young unvaccinated people 36 in the 1800 old vaccinated people 40 in the 200 old vaccinated people That gives for the overall population 37.8 severe cases in vaccinated people and 42 in unvaccinated people. 47.4% of cases would be in vaccinated people. If no one was vaccinated, the numbers would be 20 in the 2000 unvaccinated young people 400 in the 2000 unvaccinated old people for a total of 420 severe cases. 0% would be in vaccinated people. If everyone was vaccinated, the numbers would be 2 in the 2000 vaccinated young people 40 in the 2000 vaccinated old people for a total of 42 severe cases. 100% of cases would be in vaccinated people. It is useful to look at the severe case totals in our population of 2000 young people and 2000 old people. 420 severe cases when no one is vaccinated 231 severe cases when 50% of both young and old are vaccinated 87 severe cases when 50% of young and 90% of old are vaccinated 79.8 severe cases when 90% of both young and old are vaccinated 42 severe cases when everyone is vaccinated
mrow84 5y ago
> Is it crucial and it's a crime against humanity for being suppressed? Maybe, and I'm inclined to say probably because the same people who lie about everything are mighty certain that Ivermectin is something that doesn't help covid and anyone who says otherwise is a horse paste eating moron. It is truly an indictment of our time that this is deemed a useful standard of evidence.

by d1a2n 5y ago

pfisch 5y ago

The people saying ivermectin works are the same people saying hcq worked last year. The people pushing the vaccine are the only people who have consistently been curing serious illnesses for the last 100 years. The ivermectin group are the people who have been pushing snake oil for the last 1000 years and cured nothing.

didjathinkmess 5y ago
You heard it hear first: Ivermectin people have been pushing snake oil (nothing specific, just general snake oil.. like Ivermectin!) for 1000 years. Should I ask him for a source?
- pfisch 5y ago
  There have been people pushing snake oil instead of vaccines for the entire history of vaccines. You can draw a straight line through the history of vaccination and find people pushing fake cures and drugs that are basically unsupported by solid evidence instead of vaccines.
d1a2n 5y ago
Wow you've really convinced me bud you definitely sound nuanced and educated, now I know that the vaccine = good and supported by smart people and ivermectin = bad and supported by dumb people, I know exactly which side I want to be on.
- pfisch 5y ago
  The antivaxxers are all out in force pushing ivermectin, which is not well supported by evidence. I didn't say anyone was dumb, but people have been fighting against vaccines and pushing snake oil for the entire history of vaccines.
silver-arrow 5y ago
Curing serious disease? That’s rich.
- dralley 5y ago
  What do you mean? Smallpox is extinct, diptheria, pertussus and polio are nearly extinct, and measles mumps and rubella would be nearly extinct if not for pockets of antivaxers creating a constant stream of outbreaks. Go look up how many diseases these people killed prior to the vaccines, and then a few years after. You are absolutely taking for granted what we've accomplished through the use of vaccines.
  - silver-arrow 5y ago
    I agree but those were scientists from the past that practiced real science. Meaning they accepted counter arguments and evidence; not just dictate. They also discovered through the scientific method that you can not vaccinate for corona viruses They also were acutely aware you should never mass vaccinate during a pandemic. They were correct and that is why you see the results in Israel, Singapore, England, and now the US, that you are seeing. That these are bad therapeutics at best. They could end up being worse. The scientist and doctors who accomplished what you enumerated are indeed out there, but their voices are being suppressed by bureaucrats that now represent crony corrupt science; like fauci.
    - tzs 5y ago
      The Israel data shows excellent effectiveness of vaccines. For every age group it shows that the chances of severe COVID are greatly lower in the vaccinated than they are in the unvaccinated. If you just look at the totals for their whole population it may not look that way because you run into a Simpson's paradox situation. That's because older people are both more likely in general to have their COVID cases be severe, and older people in Israel or more likely to be vaccinated. To illustrate, imagine a population that has 2000 young people and 2000 old people, and both groups are 50% vaccinated with a vaccine that reduces your chances of severe disease by 90%, and image we are dealing with a disease that is 20x as likely to be severe in old people than it is in young people. Let's say that 1% of young, unvaccinated people get severe disease. Here are the number of severe cases we'd expect in that population. 1 in the 1000 young vaccinated people 10 in the 1000 young unvaccinated people 20 in the 1000 old vaccinated people 200 in the 1000 old unvaccinated people If we look at the overall numbers we get 21 severe cases in vaccinated people and 210 severe cases in unvaccinated people. 9.1% of severe cases would be in vaccinated people. Now consider a population with 2000 young people and 2000 old people, with the same vaccines that reduces your chances of severe disease by 90% and where the diseases is 20x as likely to be severe in old people, but in this population 90% of the old people are vaccinated but the young are still only 50% vaccinated. Here are the number of severe cases we'd expect in that population. 1 in the 1000 young vaccinated people 10 in the 1000 young unvaccinated people 36 in the 1800 old vaccinated people 40 in the 200 old unvaccinated people Now for the overall population we get 37 severe cases in vaccinated people and 50 severe cases in unvaccinated people. 42.6% of cases would be in vaccinated people. If the young people also get vaccinated at the same 90% rate as the old people, here are the numbers for severe cases. 1.8 in the 1800 young vaccinated people 2 in the 200 young unvaccinated people 36 in the 1800 old vaccinated people 40 in the 200 old vaccinated people That gives for the overall population 37.8 severe cases in vaccinated people and 42 in unvaccinated people. 47.4% of cases would be in vaccinated people. If no one was vaccinated, the numbers would be 20 in the 2000 unvaccinated young people 400 in the 2000 unvaccinated old people for a total of 420 severe cases. 0% would be in vaccinated people. If everyone was vaccinated, the numbers would be 2 in the 2000 vaccinated young people 40 in the 2000 vaccinated old people for a total of 42 severe cases. 100% of cases would be in vaccinated people. It is useful to look at the severe case totals in our population of 2000 young people and 2000 old people. 420 severe cases when no one is vaccinated 231 severe cases when 50% of both young and old are vaccinated 87 severe cases when 50% of young and 90% of old are vaccinated 79.8 severe cases when 90% of both young and old are vaccinated 42 severe cases when everyone is vaccinated

mrow84 5y ago

> Is it crucial and it's a crime against humanity for being suppressed? Maybe, and I'm inclined to say probably because the same people who lie about everything are mighty certain that Ivermectin is something that doesn't help covid and anyone who says otherwise is a horse paste eating moron. It is truly an indictment of our time that this is deemed a useful standard of evidence.