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Why is it an important problem? We have hormonal and non-hormonal UIDs, many different types of pills, rings, and not to mention _condoms_ which actually preven

Why is it an important problem? We have hormonal and non-hormonal UIDs, many different types of pills, rings, and not to mention _condoms_ which actually prevents STDs. I don't have a problem with other guys heating their balls up, but where is the important problem?

lazide 5y ago
Condoms are not very reliable (historically about 90% pregnancy prevention effectiveness over a year) due to issues with using them. The other methods can fail due to misuse (missing a pill or get the timing wrong) or be removed without the partners knowledge - which does happen surprisingly often.
- dingdongbing 5y ago
  It's 98% for one year according to the NHS. IUDs dont fail, and certainly a guy can miss his ball heating session or stop without the partners knowledge.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    >>IUDs dont fail They absolutely do, and it's often life threatening when it happens. It's very unlikely, but it's not absolute protection. https://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/get-pregnant-iud https://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/get-pregnant-iud
    - dingdongbing 5y ago
      It does say that the baby's and the mother's health could be in danger, but where does it say it's often life threatening? Never heard about an IUD failing at all so thanks for the link anyhow
      - lazide 5y ago
        Had it happen once with a partner (copper IUD, and it has been installed correctly), it was pretty terrible emotionally and physically.
      - gambiting 5y ago
        It says that with an IUD if you get pregnant it's more likely that it will be an ectopic pregnancy, and those are by very definition extremely dangerous to the mother and treated as medical emergencies most of the time. "It is the most common cause of death among women during the first trimester at approximately 6-13% of the total" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectopic_pregnancy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectopic_pregnancy
      - matheusmoreira 5y ago
        > where does it say it's often life threatening? IUDs greatly reduce overall risk of pregnancy. The risk is not zero, though. When IUDs do fail, and they will, they increase the risk of ectopic pregnancies. The vast majority of those are located in the uterine tubes. Those are life threatening. There is no space for the fetus in the tube, it will rupture and cause severe bleeding which can and will kill the mother if left untreated. It's an important cause of acute abdomen.
  - lazide 5y ago
    The little asterisk you see on those 98% numbers is important, as it ignores the real life variables that come up. At least according to this planned parenthood link [https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/condom/how-effective-are-condoms https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/condom...] found when tracking down some data (they do a lot of birth control), it’s actually even worse - 15 out of 100 couples using them consistently get pregnant every year, so 85% real world effectiveness. Not saying either side is the only one who ever does weird things - noting that ideally, each side would be able to make a choice and have it stick, and it would require both sides consent for a child.
  - dymk 5y ago
    98% if used correctly, which they aren’t. Now I guess one could say “well then that’s a personal problem - people should just use them correctly”. But the problem we want to solve is poor control over family planning, not blaming people for making human mistakes. We do that by developing better contraception options, for both men and women.
  - matheusmoreira 5y ago
    > It's 98% for one year according to the NHS. Assumes perfect use. The real figure is lower. Condoms simply can't compete with other contraception methods. Their main purpose is prevention of sexually transmitted diseases.
elif 5y ago
Women with health complications and healthy partners, women concerned about future fertility, etc.
- collegeburner 5y ago
  Uhh Id be concerned about this for the same reason, do we know the effects of repeatedly microwaving my balls on cancer and future fertility (both ability to get a woman pregnant and rate of birth defects)?
clarkevans 5y ago
Why must women must be the ones that compromise by having a medical intervention? Don't they also have the right to be "squeamish" about having an IUD or their hormones altered?
- dingdongbing 5y ago
  Use condoms. >don't they get the right to be squeamish about having an IUD or their hormones altered? IUD exist without any hormones, and taking hormones generally are safe and extemely well tested. Saying "hormones altered" shows your bias, and you don't think blasting your balls with heat "alters" your hormones? Certainly men who get vasectomies produce less testosterone.
  - glenda 5y ago
    A vasectomy does not inhibit testosterone production and the hormones in existing birth control have been shown to cause blood clots, migraines and other serious issues for women taking them. Condoms require proper use every time and are not as effective as other methods.
    - dingdongbing 5y ago
      The increased risk is very slight, and there are contraceptive pills without estrogen which do not have any increased risk at all.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    >>Certainly men who get vasectomies produce less testosterone. It literally doesn't, it's a weird repeated myth about vasectomies. https://www.vasectomy.org.au/faqs/sex-life-myths/#:~:text=A%20vasectomy%20does%20not%20affect,testosterone%20levels%20will%20remain%20unchanged https://www.vasectomy.org.au/faqs/sex-life-myths/#:~:text=A%.... >> and taking hormones generally are safe and extemely well tested. Well, if you are willing to accept an increased risk of cancer, sure, "extremely safe". Like, don't get me wrong, it's still one of the best options for pregnancy prevention, but let's not pretend like the pills are candy - they aren't. https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/hormones/oral-contraceptives-fact-sheet https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/h...
matheusmoreira 5y ago
Power and control. Females have a wide range of birth control options, all highly effective. However, they are all entirely under the woman's control. They can stop birth control without the man even knowing about it. This isn't some conspiracy theory, either. Women do show up to gynecologists to ask them to remove their IUDs with the explicit intent to have a child regardless of their partner's wishes. This is not considered rape. Male contraception eliminates this problem. Men are now in direct control of whether their sperm is able to fertilize. Just like women are currently in control of whether they ovulate.
- krageon 5y ago
  If your relationship balance and trust is based on whether or not your partner can secretly make babies with you without your consent, that is something to be addressed (in a human way, not by using ultrasound on your testicles).
  - matheusmoreira 5y ago
    Relationships are hard and often imperfect. People often lie and act irrationally. I've seen justifications like "he won't leave me if I have a baby with him". As men, this is absolutely something that we should worry about.
    - krageon 5y ago
      They are hard and can be imperfect. More importantly, you cannot have a good relationship founded on this kind of thinking: > People often lie and act irrationally. If that is your fundamental truth in interacting with your partner(s), your relationships will never really get anywhere. It is just not good advice to tell people to do so, unless you want them to never create meaningful connections with their partners.
      - matheusmoreira 5y ago
        My experiences with relationships are overwhelmingly positive. However, there's always a non-zero risk that such a maneuver can happen. I've seen it happen, many times. Even in otherwise happy couples. Are you willing to bet your future on it?

lazide 5y ago

Condoms are not very reliable (historically about 90% pregnancy prevention effectiveness over a year) due to issues with using them. The other methods can fail due to misuse (missing a pill or get the timing wrong) or be removed without the partners knowledge - which does happen surprisingly often.

dingdongbing 5y ago
It's 98% for one year according to the NHS. IUDs dont fail, and certainly a guy can miss his ball heating session or stop without the partners knowledge.
- gambiting 5y ago
  >>IUDs dont fail They absolutely do, and it's often life threatening when it happens. It's very unlikely, but it's not absolute protection. https://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/get-pregnant-iud https://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/get-pregnant-iud
  - dingdongbing 5y ago
    It does say that the baby's and the mother's health could be in danger, but where does it say it's often life threatening? Never heard about an IUD failing at all so thanks for the link anyhow
    - lazide 5y ago
      Had it happen once with a partner (copper IUD, and it has been installed correctly), it was pretty terrible emotionally and physically.
    - gambiting 5y ago
      It says that with an IUD if you get pregnant it's more likely that it will be an ectopic pregnancy, and those are by very definition extremely dangerous to the mother and treated as medical emergencies most of the time. "It is the most common cause of death among women during the first trimester at approximately 6-13% of the total" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectopic_pregnancy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectopic_pregnancy
    - matheusmoreira 5y ago
      > where does it say it's often life threatening? IUDs greatly reduce overall risk of pregnancy. The risk is not zero, though. When IUDs do fail, and they will, they increase the risk of ectopic pregnancies. The vast majority of those are located in the uterine tubes. Those are life threatening. There is no space for the fetus in the tube, it will rupture and cause severe bleeding which can and will kill the mother if left untreated. It's an important cause of acute abdomen.
- lazide 5y ago
  The little asterisk you see on those 98% numbers is important, as it ignores the real life variables that come up. At least according to this planned parenthood link [https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/condom/how-effective-are-condoms https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/condom...] found when tracking down some data (they do a lot of birth control), it’s actually even worse - 15 out of 100 couples using them consistently get pregnant every year, so 85% real world effectiveness. Not saying either side is the only one who ever does weird things - noting that ideally, each side would be able to make a choice and have it stick, and it would require both sides consent for a child.
- dymk 5y ago
  98% if used correctly, which they aren’t. Now I guess one could say “well then that’s a personal problem - people should just use them correctly”. But the problem we want to solve is poor control over family planning, not blaming people for making human mistakes. We do that by developing better contraception options, for both men and women.
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  > It's 98% for one year according to the NHS. Assumes perfect use. The real figure is lower. Condoms simply can't compete with other contraception methods. Their main purpose is prevention of sexually transmitted diseases.

elif 5y ago

Women with health complications and healthy partners, women concerned about future fertility, etc.

collegeburner 5y ago
Uhh Id be concerned about this for the same reason, do we know the effects of repeatedly microwaving my balls on cancer and future fertility (both ability to get a woman pregnant and rate of birth defects)?

clarkevans 5y ago

Why must women must be the ones that compromise by having a medical intervention? Don't they also have the right to be "squeamish" about having an IUD or their hormones altered?

dingdongbing 5y ago
Use condoms. >don't they get the right to be squeamish about having an IUD or their hormones altered? IUD exist without any hormones, and taking hormones generally are safe and extemely well tested. Saying "hormones altered" shows your bias, and you don't think blasting your balls with heat "alters" your hormones? Certainly men who get vasectomies produce less testosterone.
- glenda 5y ago
  A vasectomy does not inhibit testosterone production and the hormones in existing birth control have been shown to cause blood clots, migraines and other serious issues for women taking them. Condoms require proper use every time and are not as effective as other methods.
  - dingdongbing 5y ago
    The increased risk is very slight, and there are contraceptive pills without estrogen which do not have any increased risk at all.
- gambiting 5y ago
  >>Certainly men who get vasectomies produce less testosterone. It literally doesn't, it's a weird repeated myth about vasectomies. https://www.vasectomy.org.au/faqs/sex-life-myths/#:~:text=A%20vasectomy%20does%20not%20affect,testosterone%20levels%20will%20remain%20unchanged https://www.vasectomy.org.au/faqs/sex-life-myths/#:~:text=A%.... >> and taking hormones generally are safe and extemely well tested. Well, if you are willing to accept an increased risk of cancer, sure, "extremely safe". Like, don't get me wrong, it's still one of the best options for pregnancy prevention, but let's not pretend like the pills are candy - they aren't. https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/hormones/oral-contraceptives-fact-sheet https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/h...

matheusmoreira 5y ago

Power and control. Females have a wide range of birth control options, all highly effective. However, they are all entirely under the woman's control. They can stop birth control without the man even knowing about it. This isn't some conspiracy theory, either. Women do show up to gynecologists to ask them to remove their IUDs with the explicit intent to have a child regardless of their partner's wishes. This is not considered rape. Male contraception eliminates this problem. Men are now in direct control of whether their sperm is able to fertilize. Just like women are currently in control of whether they ovulate.

krageon 5y ago
If your relationship balance and trust is based on whether or not your partner can secretly make babies with you without your consent, that is something to be addressed (in a human way, not by using ultrasound on your testicles).
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  Relationships are hard and often imperfect. People often lie and act irrationally. I've seen justifications like "he won't leave me if I have a baby with him". As men, this is absolutely something that we should worry about.
  - krageon 5y ago
    They are hard and can be imperfect. More importantly, you cannot have a good relationship founded on this kind of thinking: > People often lie and act irrationally. If that is your fundamental truth in interacting with your partner(s), your relationships will never really get anywhere. It is just not good advice to tell people to do so, unless you want them to never create meaningful connections with their partners.
    - matheusmoreira 5y ago
      My experiences with relationships are overwhelmingly positive. However, there's always a non-zero risk that such a maneuver can happen. I've seen it happen, many times. Even in otherwise happy couples. Are you willing to bet your future on it?