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I'm out! I don't care how few users Firefox has. I do care that the product has become a pile of garbage. I already tolerate the dumb tab bar, the update nag s

I'm out! I don't care how few users Firefox has. I do care that the product has become a pile of garbage. I already tolerate the dumb tab bar, the update nag screen that interrupts my work, the telemetry setting that doesn't actually disable telemetry, the web services I don't want like Pocket, the ads, the memory issues that hobble my machine when I stream video... I won't move to a browser like Chromium with a connection to Google, but I'm moving to something. I'm done with Firefox.

magnaton 5y ago
Try LibreWolf -- it's Firefox with the nasty stuff stripped out. You can use your existing Firefox profile, but be sure to go through LibreWolf's settings as some of the defauts may be different than what you already have set up (they select privacy-protecting options by default).
readflaggedcomm 5y ago
>the update nag screen that interrupts my work If you're on Linux, exclude it from automatic updates in your package manager, and it won't interrupt you. On Windows, you should be able to set app.update.auto to false in about:config, but I don't know if that still works.
seoaeu 5y ago
And what browser would that be? Mozilla keeps doing these things because they're desperately searching for a revenue stream that doesn't make them beholden to their biggest competitor. There aren't any other viable options because no one else knows of any better revenue streams for web browsers either
- goalieca 5y ago
  Of Wikipedia can survive on donation, why not Firefox and MDN?
  - contravariant 5y ago
    Firefox might survive, but the salaries of the people in charge of that decision might not.
    - dandotway 5y ago
      Boom. "Mozilla Firefox Usage Down 85% but why are Exec’s Salary Up 400%?" https://itdm.com/mozilla-firefox-usage-down-85-but-why-are-execs-salary-up-400/2050/ https://itdm.com/mozilla-firefox-usage-down-85-but-why-are-e...
  - kbelder 5y ago
    Firefox could, I think. I don't think the Mozilla Foundation could. And that's the rub, at least to those in charge at the Mozilla Foundation.
    - seoaeu 5y ago
      To avoid significant layoffs they'd something like 10% of their user base to donate $20/year. I'm far from an expert on nonprofit finances, but that strikes me as a tough but potentially doable goal
      - mulmen 5y ago
        There is no single piece of software I use more than Firefox. At $20.00/month it would be a bargain. Assuming it wasn’t a dumpster fire.
      - prepend 5y ago
        Their cost base is too bloated. The reason I stopped donating to Mozilla is because they have too many people not doing things I think are important and are paying their executives too much.
  - deleted 5y ago
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- kjaftaedi 5y ago
  Opera / Vivaldi
  - poulpy123 5y ago
    That's another chromium browser.
    - kjaftaedi 5y ago
      yes, but with a completely separate set of features, options, defaults, revenue stream, incentives, etc.
- c80e74f077 5y ago
  what about Firefox's forks such as Waterfox[1], Pale Moon[2], IceCat[3], SeaMonkey[4]...? Genuinely asking. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfox [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon_(web_browser) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon_(web_browser) [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceCat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceCat [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey
  - thayne 5y ago
    None of these projects have enough resources to keep up with web standards, and patch security bugs on their own. So forks are either almost the same as Firefox, or may be less secure and/or doesn't work for as many websites and addons as Firefox.
  - revolvingocelot 5y ago
    Waterfox is owned by an ad company, which IMO is enough to disqualify it. Sure it's probably fine now, but it'll assuredly have problems soon.
  - uniqueid 5y ago
    Of the four, I've only ever heard of SeaMonkey before. I'll definitely check them out though.

magnaton 5y ago

Try LibreWolf -- it's Firefox with the nasty stuff stripped out. You can use your existing Firefox profile, but be sure to go through LibreWolf's settings as some of the defauts may be different than what you already have set up (they select privacy-protecting options by default).

readflaggedcomm 5y ago

>the update nag screen that interrupts my work If you're on Linux, exclude it from automatic updates in your package manager, and it won't interrupt you. On Windows, you should be able to set app.update.auto to false in about:config, but I don't know if that still works.

seoaeu 5y ago

And what browser would that be? Mozilla keeps doing these things because they're desperately searching for a revenue stream that doesn't make them beholden to their biggest competitor. There aren't any other viable options because no one else knows of any better revenue streams for web browsers either

goalieca 5y ago
Of Wikipedia can survive on donation, why not Firefox and MDN?
- contravariant 5y ago
  Firefox might survive, but the salaries of the people in charge of that decision might not.
  - dandotway 5y ago
    Boom. "Mozilla Firefox Usage Down 85% but why are Exec’s Salary Up 400%?" https://itdm.com/mozilla-firefox-usage-down-85-but-why-are-execs-salary-up-400/2050/ https://itdm.com/mozilla-firefox-usage-down-85-but-why-are-e...
- kbelder 5y ago
  Firefox could, I think. I don't think the Mozilla Foundation could. And that's the rub, at least to those in charge at the Mozilla Foundation.
  - seoaeu 5y ago
    To avoid significant layoffs they'd something like 10% of their user base to donate $20/year. I'm far from an expert on nonprofit finances, but that strikes me as a tough but potentially doable goal
    - mulmen 5y ago
      There is no single piece of software I use more than Firefox. At $20.00/month it would be a bargain. Assuming it wasn’t a dumpster fire.
    - prepend 5y ago
      Their cost base is too bloated. The reason I stopped donating to Mozilla is because they have too many people not doing things I think are important and are paying their executives too much.
- deleted 5y ago
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kjaftaedi 5y ago
Opera / Vivaldi
- poulpy123 5y ago
  That's another chromium browser.
  - kjaftaedi 5y ago
    yes, but with a completely separate set of features, options, defaults, revenue stream, incentives, etc.
c80e74f077 5y ago
what about Firefox's forks such as Waterfox[1], Pale Moon[2], IceCat[3], SeaMonkey[4]...? Genuinely asking. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfox [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon_(web_browser) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon_(web_browser) [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceCat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceCat [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey
- thayne 5y ago
  None of these projects have enough resources to keep up with web standards, and patch security bugs on their own. So forks are either almost the same as Firefox, or may be less secure and/or doesn't work for as many websites and addons as Firefox.
- revolvingocelot 5y ago
  Waterfox is owned by an ad company, which IMO is enough to disqualify it. Sure it's probably fine now, but it'll assuredly have problems soon.
- uniqueid 5y ago
  Of the four, I've only ever heard of SeaMonkey before. I'll definitely check them out though.