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I find this line of thinking incredibly bizarre. If PTO is important to the candidate, why should they waste their time spending hours interviewing only to find

I find this line of thinking incredibly bizarre. If PTO is important to the candidate, why should they waste their time spending hours interviewing only to find out that the work-life balance in this position isn't going to work for them? To you that's having their head up their ass? God that's strange to me. I'm sure glad I don't work for people who make sweeping judgements like that.

Spooky23 5y ago
You’re looking for a job. You have 10 minutes to ask questions that make you stand out, to a individual who probably cannot answer the question. You do you.
- xyzelement 5y ago
  That's so spot on. Your Q&A session is your chance to learn something real and convey what you care about. A good question might me like "what's the hardest thing you had to do this year" or "how did you make decisions in cases of disagreement?" or something like that. It shows you're thinking about the job and whether you're a right fit. High quality questions say something about you. Low quality questions do too. Would you ever hire someone whose question is like "so, do a lot of hotties work here?" Probably not, because ... what kind of person is this? Similarly, if the person who doesn't have an offer and doesn't know much about the role is hyper-focused on their time-off, something is off too. PTO is important, it's just a thing you need to be thinking about once you have an offer and think the job is otherwise a match, not as like the #1 question.
  - redisman 5y ago
    Different priorities I guess. Personally I’m exchanging my time for money and would like to know what kind of a deal I’m getting. I’m too old for all the fluff bullshit. Yes yes yes I’m sure you’re changing the world and creating super exciting CRUD
    - xyzelement 5y ago
      > Different priorities I guess. Personally I’m exchanging my time for money and would like to know what kind of a deal I’m getting. I’m too old for all the fluff bullshit.... Yes yes yes I’m sure you’re changing the world and creating super exciting CRUD You know, I actually found this comment clarifying. I don't look at work as solely exchanging time for money (don't get me wrong, I care about money a lot, I just want to get a lot more than money out of my work) so I was coming at it from a different direction. I do think there's an employee-employer compatibility in play here. Because I care about engagement/mission, I tend to work at companies with a strong culture and seek the same when I interview others - but yeah it's a good reminder that this is not for what everyone wants/needs.
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      Hey, nothing wrong with CRUD; it's what makes the world go around. Not that that's anything like a reason not to ask what you need to ask, and turn a Q&A into a brownnosing session.
      - redisman 5y ago
        I know, I’m creating CRUD as we speak
  - bluGill 5y ago
    Depends. HR does everything they can to ensure I don't consider the questions I'm asked when deciding if we hire them. They can't stop me, but it is tricky to shoehorn your questions into their form so I don't try.
- verve_rat 5y ago
  Employment is a partnership, not servitude. That means the employer needs to convince the employee to work for them. I'm fine being rejected by a place that will treat me like shit.
  - lazide 5y ago
    Isn’t a partnership supposed to be mutual? You seem to think that it should be one sided, with them doing all the selling/figuring though, which seems to be pretty problematic in other ways. For some folks, at some times, that can certainly work. But it sounds like you want them to be in servitude to you, not an actual partnership.

Spooky23 5y ago

You’re looking for a job. You have 10 minutes to ask questions that make you stand out, to a individual who probably cannot answer the question. You do you.

xyzelement 5y ago
That's so spot on. Your Q&A session is your chance to learn something real and convey what you care about. A good question might me like "what's the hardest thing you had to do this year" or "how did you make decisions in cases of disagreement?" or something like that. It shows you're thinking about the job and whether you're a right fit. High quality questions say something about you. Low quality questions do too. Would you ever hire someone whose question is like "so, do a lot of hotties work here?" Probably not, because ... what kind of person is this? Similarly, if the person who doesn't have an offer and doesn't know much about the role is hyper-focused on their time-off, something is off too. PTO is important, it's just a thing you need to be thinking about once you have an offer and think the job is otherwise a match, not as like the #1 question.
- redisman 5y ago
  Different priorities I guess. Personally I’m exchanging my time for money and would like to know what kind of a deal I’m getting. I’m too old for all the fluff bullshit. Yes yes yes I’m sure you’re changing the world and creating super exciting CRUD
  - xyzelement 5y ago
    > Different priorities I guess. Personally I’m exchanging my time for money and would like to know what kind of a deal I’m getting. I’m too old for all the fluff bullshit.... Yes yes yes I’m sure you’re changing the world and creating super exciting CRUD You know, I actually found this comment clarifying. I don't look at work as solely exchanging time for money (don't get me wrong, I care about money a lot, I just want to get a lot more than money out of my work) so I was coming at it from a different direction. I do think there's an employee-employer compatibility in play here. Because I care about engagement/mission, I tend to work at companies with a strong culture and seek the same when I interview others - but yeah it's a good reminder that this is not for what everyone wants/needs.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    Hey, nothing wrong with CRUD; it's what makes the world go around. Not that that's anything like a reason not to ask what you need to ask, and turn a Q&A into a brownnosing session.
    - redisman 5y ago
      I know, I’m creating CRUD as we speak
- bluGill 5y ago
  Depends. HR does everything they can to ensure I don't consider the questions I'm asked when deciding if we hire them. They can't stop me, but it is tricky to shoehorn your questions into their form so I don't try.
verve_rat 5y ago
Employment is a partnership, not servitude. That means the employer needs to convince the employee to work for them. I'm fine being rejected by a place that will treat me like shit.
- lazide 5y ago
  Isn’t a partnership supposed to be mutual? You seem to think that it should be one sided, with them doing all the selling/figuring though, which seems to be pretty problematic in other ways. For some folks, at some times, that can certainly work. But it sounds like you want them to be in servitude to you, not an actual partnership.