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Thanks for providing evidence of a capitol rioter carrying a firearm. No True Scotsman I guess. Most of the rioters were armed. There are a couple videos of th

by dqx 5y ago

Thanks for providing evidence of a capitol rioter carrying a firearm. No True Scotsman I guess. Most of the rioters were armed. There are a couple videos of the riot if you don't believe me. You're moving the goals posts so that beating a cop with a flagpole until he's dead, throwing fire extinguishers, swinging axes, or planting pipe bombs counts as being "unarmed". Christopher Alberts was caught inside with a loaded handgun. "DC is no guns," wrote an Oath Keepers member on Facebook, "so mace and gas masks, some batons." They had to remind them to only bring certain weapons to their peaceful protest. Officer Mike Fanone claims Trump supporters reached for his weapon shouting "kill him with his own gun." He must be exaggerating! > There hasn't been a single conviction related to insurrection or anything more sinister than rioting or trespassing to date. Oh wow, you really didn't know. Jon Schaffer plead guilty to entering a restricted building with a dangerous weapon. Why didn't you remind him he was unarmed before he plead guilty?! > given the lack of firearms and damage Damage estimates range from $1.5 to $30 million. Do you read the news?

twofornone 5y ago
Your entire post is merely reiterating exactly the sort of misleading information that I pointed out in mine. The point once again (the "goalposts") was not whether they were armed, but why they would stage an insurrection without guns. And it is an established fact that save for 1-2 out of, what, 300+? There were no guns. Because this was a protest which turned into a riot, not an insurrection. >that beating a cop with a flagpole until he's dead, throwing fire extinguisher The original articles referenced an officer being beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. Note that if you have been keeping up, they have all since been quietly retracted/deleted because the entire story was a fabrication. The officer died of a stroke within days of the protest, not from injuries. >They had to remind them to only bring certain weapons to their peaceful protest. This is pure speculation and its quite a stretch. The vast majority of participants weren't actually part of any of the so called "far right" groups (e.g. oathkeepers, boogaloo boys, or whatever the media's boogeyman of the day happens to be). >"kill him with his own gun." He must be exaggerating Yet not a single officer was killed so, again, not much of an insurrection. >Damage estimates range from $1.5 to $30 million. Do you read the news? From heavily biased sources. If you watched any of the livestreams you'd see protestors constantly telling each other not to damage anything. Can you find me any pictures or videos of damage on that scale? >Jon Schaffer plead guilty to entering a restricted building with a dangerous weapon Straight from the horse's mouth[0]: >admitted that he breached the Capitol on January 6, 2021, wearing a tactical vest and armed with bear repellent So still no guns and guilty of attempting to obstruct certification. Hardly an insurrection, and only one person. Where is the coup? You have been mislead by political theatre and are spreading misinformation. 0. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/lifetime-founding-member-oath-keepers-pleads-guilty-breaching-capitol-jan-6-obstruct https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/lifetime-founding-member-oath...
- dqx 5y ago
  I agree, most of the violent rioters were armed. It is well documented that organizers had to encourage attendees to leave their guns at home or in their cars (as you mentioned, several were arrested with firearms in their cars on their way to or from the riot). > The vast majority of participants weren't actually part of any of the so called "far right" groups (e.g. oathkeepers) LOTS of self-recorded evidence shows that isn't true. "wait for the 6th when we are all in D.C. to insurrection [sic]" https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2021/03/24/capitol-attack-oath-keepers-proud-boys-three-percenters-coordinated/6980128002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2021/03/24/capitol-attac... We know many members of the Proud Bois were there (since arrested). The Oath Keepers even had their little logos printed on their hoodies! You linked to an admission of guilt from a founding member of the Oath Keepers, you...do realize that right? > The officer died of a stroke within days of the protest, not from injuries. Strange, the medical examiner disagreed, saying "all that transpired played a role in his condition." Hmm he was pepper-sprayed and beaten by a violent mob, only to die of a stroke hours later. What a cowinky-dink! The other officers had no history of mental illness. After being beaten by a violent mob, their partners described them as acting unlike their usual selves, shortly before committing suicide. Another chance coincidence I guess! The medical examiner said of Officer Jeffrey Smith that the "acute, precipitating event that caused the death of Officer Smith was his occupational exposure to the traumatic events he suffered on January 6, 2021." Are you really that gullible?
  - twofornone 5y ago
    There's no point in having this discussion if you're continuously going to represent my words. 1. I said vast majority. I didn't day such people weren't present. These are not large groups to begin with. 2. Once again you are twisting the word "armed" to conflate flagpoles and bear mace with guns. My original point stands. You don't go about an insurrection in 2021 without bringing your guns. The rest of what you wrote is irrelevant. This was neither a coup nor an insurrection, because the vast, vast majority of protestors did not bring guns to the capitol, and in fact I'm not aware of a single such firearms arrest/conviction. You could say that it was a 99.9% peaceful riot - and again I'm only aware of a single person being shown to have a gun, not "armed" with flagpoles and mace, out of hundreds of protestors.

by dqx 5y ago

twofornone 5y ago

Your entire post is merely reiterating exactly the sort of misleading information that I pointed out in mine. The point once again (the "goalposts") was not whether they were armed, but why they would stage an insurrection without guns. And it is an established fact that save for 1-2 out of, what, 300+? There were no guns. Because this was a protest which turned into a riot, not an insurrection. >that beating a cop with a flagpole until he's dead, throwing fire extinguisher The original articles referenced an officer being beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. Note that if you have been keeping up, they have all since been quietly retracted/deleted because the entire story was a fabrication. The officer died of a stroke within days of the protest, not from injuries. >They had to remind them to only bring certain weapons to their peaceful protest. This is pure speculation and its quite a stretch. The vast majority of participants weren't actually part of any of the so called "far right" groups (e.g. oathkeepers, boogaloo boys, or whatever the media's boogeyman of the day happens to be). >"kill him with his own gun." He must be exaggerating Yet not a single officer was killed so, again, not much of an insurrection. >Damage estimates range from $1.5 to $30 million. Do you read the news? From heavily biased sources. If you watched any of the livestreams you'd see protestors constantly telling each other not to damage anything. Can you find me any pictures or videos of damage on that scale? >Jon Schaffer plead guilty to entering a restricted building with a dangerous weapon Straight from the horse's mouth[0]: >admitted that he breached the Capitol on January 6, 2021, wearing a tactical vest and armed with bear repellent So still no guns and guilty of attempting to obstruct certification. Hardly an insurrection, and only one person. Where is the coup? You have been mislead by political theatre and are spreading misinformation. 0. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/lifetime-founding-member-oath-keepers-pleads-guilty-breaching-capitol-jan-6-obstruct https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/lifetime-founding-member-oath...

dqx 5y ago
I agree, most of the violent rioters were armed. It is well documented that organizers had to encourage attendees to leave their guns at home or in their cars (as you mentioned, several were arrested with firearms in their cars on their way to or from the riot). > The vast majority of participants weren't actually part of any of the so called "far right" groups (e.g. oathkeepers) LOTS of self-recorded evidence shows that isn't true. "wait for the 6th when we are all in D.C. to insurrection [sic]" https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2021/03/24/capitol-attack-oath-keepers-proud-boys-three-percenters-coordinated/6980128002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2021/03/24/capitol-attac... We know many members of the Proud Bois were there (since arrested). The Oath Keepers even had their little logos printed on their hoodies! You linked to an admission of guilt from a founding member of the Oath Keepers, you...do realize that right? > The officer died of a stroke within days of the protest, not from injuries. Strange, the medical examiner disagreed, saying "all that transpired played a role in his condition." Hmm he was pepper-sprayed and beaten by a violent mob, only to die of a stroke hours later. What a cowinky-dink! The other officers had no history of mental illness. After being beaten by a violent mob, their partners described them as acting unlike their usual selves, shortly before committing suicide. Another chance coincidence I guess! The medical examiner said of Officer Jeffrey Smith that the "acute, precipitating event that caused the death of Officer Smith was his occupational exposure to the traumatic events he suffered on January 6, 2021." Are you really that gullible?
- twofornone 5y ago
  There's no point in having this discussion if you're continuously going to represent my words. 1. I said vast majority. I didn't day such people weren't present. These are not large groups to begin with. 2. Once again you are twisting the word "armed" to conflate flagpoles and bear mace with guns. My original point stands. You don't go about an insurrection in 2021 without bringing your guns. The rest of what you wrote is irrelevant. This was neither a coup nor an insurrection, because the vast, vast majority of protestors did not bring guns to the capitol, and in fact I'm not aware of a single such firearms arrest/conviction. You could say that it was a 99.9% peaceful riot - and again I'm only aware of a single person being shown to have a gun, not "armed" with flagpoles and mace, out of hundreds of protestors.