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Petty theft is more an issue of economic inequality. If the criminal had an incentive for being honorable citizens, then theft would not happen.

by luegen 5y ago

mensetmanusman 5y ago
Not sure. If you add up damages from theft, by far the rich and powerful steal more in absolute terms.
- ir123 5y ago
  But that's not petty theft
  - mensetmanusman 5y ago
    Not necessarily, insider trading steals a dollar from a few million people. It is petty theft at scale.
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barry-cotter 5y ago
Have you so little respect for people that you think they are all thieves? In India and China, countries in which most of the top 10% by income would fall below the US poverty line most people never steal. Theft is not mostly about poverty.
- cassianoleal 5y ago
  Weird take. Petty theft (like the one being discussed here) can definitely be correlated with inequality. I agree that most people will not steal. That's been my experience of growing up in a country with rampant poverty and inequality (and crime). That said, the more people are in need, the more incentive for them to look for solutions outside of a system that has inherently failed them and the people they know. I have myself been robbed and assaulted multiple times. I have had relatives kidnapped. Cars stolen leaving or entering their own garage, sometimes in nice areas of the city. I have been myself held at gunpoint by both criminals and police. The house I grew up in has been burglarised multiple times. I have not once, and don't know a single person who has been assaulted or robbed by a middle or upper class person. There is probably also some correlation between white collar crime and corruption, and poverty, but I suspect the direction of causality goes the other way around in this case.
  - gruez 5y ago
    > Weird take. Petty theft (like the one being discussed here) can definitely be correlated with inequality. Source?
    - cassianoleal 5y ago
      https://www.zippia.com/advice/crime-income-inequality/ https://www.zippia.com/advice/crime-income-inequality/ http://www.ijsk.org/uploads/3/1/1/7/3117743/sociology_2.pdf http://www.ijsk.org/uploads/3/1/1/7/3117743/sociology_2.pdf https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z87w97h/revision/2 https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z87w97h/revision/2 https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/IJSE-04-2017-0167/full/html https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/IJSE-04-... https://journalofeconomicstructures.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40008-020-00220-6 https://journalofeconomicstructures.springeropen.com/article... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_correlations_of_criminal_behaviour https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_correlations_of_cr... https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/full-links-between-poverty-and-violent-crime https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/full-links-... https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2018/dec/7/brookings-institute-study-finds-direct-connection-between-poverty-and-crime-rates/ https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2018/dec/7/brookings-in... http://www.ecineq.org/ecineq_paris19/papers_EcineqPSE/paper_122.pdf http://www.ecineq.org/ecineq_paris19/papers_EcineqPSE/paper_... https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-stark-relationship-between-income-inequality-and-crime https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-star...
simonh 5y ago
True, but not relevant to whether Apple should make parts available or not. Apple’s repairability policy isnt going to alleviate income inequality, but it could have an effect on phone theft.

Petty theft is more an issue of economic inequality. If the criminal had an incentive for being honorable citizens, then theft would not happen.

by luegen 5y ago

Petty theft is more an issue of economic inequality. If the criminal had an incentive for being honorable citizens, then theft would not happen.

mensetmanusman 5y ago

Not sure. If you add up damages from theft, by far the rich and powerful steal more in absolute terms.

ir123 5y ago
But that's not petty theft
- mensetmanusman 5y ago
  Not necessarily, insider trading steals a dollar from a few million people. It is petty theft at scale.

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barry-cotter 5y ago

Have you so little respect for people that you think they are all thieves? In India and China, countries in which most of the top 10% by income would fall below the US poverty line most people never steal. Theft is not mostly about poverty.

cassianoleal 5y ago
Weird take. Petty theft (like the one being discussed here) can definitely be correlated with inequality. I agree that most people will not steal. That's been my experience of growing up in a country with rampant poverty and inequality (and crime). That said, the more people are in need, the more incentive for them to look for solutions outside of a system that has inherently failed them and the people they know. I have myself been robbed and assaulted multiple times. I have had relatives kidnapped. Cars stolen leaving or entering their own garage, sometimes in nice areas of the city. I have been myself held at gunpoint by both criminals and police. The house I grew up in has been burglarised multiple times. I have not once, and don't know a single person who has been assaulted or robbed by a middle or upper class person. There is probably also some correlation between white collar crime and corruption, and poverty, but I suspect the direction of causality goes the other way around in this case.
- gruez 5y ago
  > Weird take. Petty theft (like the one being discussed here) can definitely be correlated with inequality. Source?
  - cassianoleal 5y ago
    https://www.zippia.com/advice/crime-income-inequality/ https://www.zippia.com/advice/crime-income-inequality/ http://www.ijsk.org/uploads/3/1/1/7/3117743/sociology_2.pdf http://www.ijsk.org/uploads/3/1/1/7/3117743/sociology_2.pdf https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z87w97h/revision/2 https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z87w97h/revision/2 https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/IJSE-04-2017-0167/full/html https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/IJSE-04-... https://journalofeconomicstructures.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40008-020-00220-6 https://journalofeconomicstructures.springeropen.com/article... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_correlations_of_criminal_behaviour https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_correlations_of_cr... https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/full-links-between-poverty-and-violent-crime https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/full-links-... https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2018/dec/7/brookings-institute-study-finds-direct-connection-between-poverty-and-crime-rates/ https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2018/dec/7/brookings-in... http://www.ecineq.org/ecineq_paris19/papers_EcineqPSE/paper_122.pdf http://www.ecineq.org/ecineq_paris19/papers_EcineqPSE/paper_... https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-stark-relationship-between-income-inequality-and-crime https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-star...

simonh 5y ago

True, but not relevant to whether Apple should make parts available or not. Apple’s repairability policy isnt going to alleviate income inequality, but it could have an effect on phone theft.