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A Site Launch Checklist

81 points by bmcleod 15y ago

dfc 15y ago
"Penetration testing if necessary." If necessary? Seriously? You are trying to tell me that you are not convinced that someone who should do all of the other steps listed might not need to worry about security?
- boyter 15y ago
  If you just have a sales website its probably not high on your list of priorities no. Same with anything that doesn't collect data (IE presentation only) or an expensive paid for service with a long sales cycle. In all of the above cases I would consider security while creating, but I wouldn't do a lengthy pen test while trying to get the product out there. Of course that's also dependent on your target audience.
  - dfc 15y ago
    You are your brand. If your homepage gets turned into a billboard for goat.cx you are owned in more ways than one... There is really no point in us discussing this further. We have dramatically different assumptions on the importance of security and the value of a company's image/reputation.
    - boyter 15y ago
      I didn't say it wasn't a priority, or that you should leave yourself open to being totally owned, just that executing a pen test against your new website is probably overkill in some situations.
- bmcleod 15y ago
  The level of security knowledge required to do decent penetration testing is a relatively rare skill and therefore often necessitates bringing in a third party which can skew the cost/benefit quite badly. You're often much better off saying that your site has a certain level of security because it's built in default thing X until it grows a bit. Generally you'll know already if you're in a market or field where penetration testing is absolutely necessary(finance, health, well known brands etc) and it won't be a question.
- hussong 15y ago
  To put things in perspective, think of the following typical situation: Website relaunch for a small company, total budget is $4000, cheapest quote you got for penetration testing is $300. Good luck selling that as a line item to a client whose email password is "123456".
  - dfc 15y ago
    Thank you for the clarification. From the discussion of deployment, development and marketing teams and the TV promo I thought it was aimed at a different demographic.
jpulgarin 15y ago
Related: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/46716/what-should-a-developer-know-before-building-a-public-web-site http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/46716/what-sh...
MartinCron 15y ago
Pages have Appropriate Meta Tags. Serious question. Does this have any impact anymore?
- MrHobbes 15y ago
  To answer you question directly, yes. In a nutshell, * The keywords meta tag is no longer used. * The robots meta tag is extremely useful. * The description tag may be used to display along with a page's title. * Neither description nor keywords meta tag have much impact for SEO. Personally, I don't use the keyword meta tag and I may or may not use the description meta tag. Somewhere out there, there is a search engine that still uses keyword tags for something significant, but I doubt that search engine is Bing (which now powers itself and US/Canada Yahoo). References: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/09/google-does-not-use-keywords-meta-tag.html http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/09/google-do... http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=79812 http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answe... http://searchengineland.com/yahoo-search-no-longer-uses-meta-keywords-tag-27303 http://searchengineland.com/yahoo-search-no-longer-uses-meta...
  - MartinCron 15y ago
    Thank you for the informed reply. I appreciate it.
- aw3c2 15y ago
  Yes. Google will (sometimes?) display what you put into <meta name="description" content="here" /> as abstract on the search results page. This makes it very easy to optimise what people see on there instead of making Google guess what to show.
keeran 15y ago
Another check list posted a while back (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=485553 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=485553) http://www.boxuk.com/blog/the-ultimate-website-launch-checklist http://www.boxuk.com/blog/the-ultimate-website-launch-checkl...
MPiccinato 15y ago
Anyone ever checkout LaunchList? http://launchlist.net/ http://launchlist.net/ Seems like it would be a great tool to keep track of these things.
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vaksel 15y ago
it also helps to do some basic SEO before you launch...you need to rank for your own name so you don't lose out on word of mouth.
- chetan51 15y ago
  How would you go about doing that?
rglover 15y ago
Always interesting to see how others approach a launch. This got me thinking, though. Would it be useful/fun to crowd source launch checklists? Maybe something where people could submit their list and then everyone votes items up/down. I think it'd be cool to have a definitive list that was voted on by hackers everywhere. Sort of a faux industry standard checklist.
- generators 15y ago
  oh...that gave me idea for a listapp where people add item and vote them up down. ( checklist for visiting africa, checklist for launching new app , checklist for organizing wedding. crowd sourced wisdom. )
- pontifier 15y ago
  This is the basic premise behind a site I made a few months ago. a checklist wiki where you can find a checklist that will probably include things you hadn't thought of. It is up at todowiki.com. There are very few things there right now, and wiki-spam is rampant, but I'm trying.

81 points by bmcleod 15y ago

dfc 15y ago

"Penetration testing if necessary." If necessary? Seriously? You are trying to tell me that you are not convinced that someone who should do all of the other steps listed might not need to worry about security?

boyter 15y ago
If you just have a sales website its probably not high on your list of priorities no. Same with anything that doesn't collect data (IE presentation only) or an expensive paid for service with a long sales cycle. In all of the above cases I would consider security while creating, but I wouldn't do a lengthy pen test while trying to get the product out there. Of course that's also dependent on your target audience.
- dfc 15y ago
  You are your brand. If your homepage gets turned into a billboard for goat.cx you are owned in more ways than one... There is really no point in us discussing this further. We have dramatically different assumptions on the importance of security and the value of a company's image/reputation.
  - boyter 15y ago
    I didn't say it wasn't a priority, or that you should leave yourself open to being totally owned, just that executing a pen test against your new website is probably overkill in some situations.
bmcleod 15y ago
The level of security knowledge required to do decent penetration testing is a relatively rare skill and therefore often necessitates bringing in a third party which can skew the cost/benefit quite badly. You're often much better off saying that your site has a certain level of security because it's built in default thing X until it grows a bit. Generally you'll know already if you're in a market or field where penetration testing is absolutely necessary(finance, health, well known brands etc) and it won't be a question.
hussong 15y ago
To put things in perspective, think of the following typical situation: Website relaunch for a small company, total budget is $4000, cheapest quote you got for penetration testing is $300. Good luck selling that as a line item to a client whose email password is "123456".
- dfc 15y ago
  Thank you for the clarification. From the discussion of deployment, development and marketing teams and the TV promo I thought it was aimed at a different demographic.

jpulgarin 15y ago

Related: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/46716/what-should-a-developer-know-before-building-a-public-web-site http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/46716/what-sh...

MartinCron 15y ago

Pages have Appropriate Meta Tags. Serious question. Does this have any impact anymore?

MrHobbes 15y ago
To answer you question directly, yes. In a nutshell, * The keywords meta tag is no longer used. * The robots meta tag is extremely useful. * The description tag may be used to display along with a page's title. * Neither description nor keywords meta tag have much impact for SEO. Personally, I don't use the keyword meta tag and I may or may not use the description meta tag. Somewhere out there, there is a search engine that still uses keyword tags for something significant, but I doubt that search engine is Bing (which now powers itself and US/Canada Yahoo). References: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/09/google-does-not-use-keywords-meta-tag.html http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/09/google-do... http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=79812 http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answe... http://searchengineland.com/yahoo-search-no-longer-uses-meta-keywords-tag-27303 http://searchengineland.com/yahoo-search-no-longer-uses-meta...
- MartinCron 15y ago
  Thank you for the informed reply. I appreciate it.
aw3c2 15y ago
Yes. Google will (sometimes?) display what you put into <meta name="description" content="here" /> as abstract on the search results page. This makes it very easy to optimise what people see on there instead of making Google guess what to show.

keeran 15y ago

Another check list posted a while back (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=485553 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=485553) http://www.boxuk.com/blog/the-ultimate-website-launch-checklist http://www.boxuk.com/blog/the-ultimate-website-launch-checkl...

MPiccinato 15y ago

Anyone ever checkout LaunchList? http://launchlist.net/ http://launchlist.net/ Seems like it would be a great tool to keep track of these things.

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vaksel 15y ago

it also helps to do some basic SEO before you launch...you need to rank for your own name so you don't lose out on word of mouth.

chetan51 15y ago
How would you go about doing that?

rglover 15y ago

Always interesting to see how others approach a launch. This got me thinking, though. Would it be useful/fun to crowd source launch checklists? Maybe something where people could submit their list and then everyone votes items up/down. I think it'd be cool to have a definitive list that was voted on by hackers everywhere. Sort of a faux industry standard checklist.

generators 15y ago
oh...that gave me idea for a listapp where people add item and vote them up down. ( checklist for visiting africa, checklist for launching new app , checklist for organizing wedding. crowd sourced wisdom. )
pontifier 15y ago
This is the basic premise behind a site I made a few months ago. a checklist wiki where you can find a checklist that will probably include things you hadn't thought of. It is up at todowiki.com. There are very few things there right now, and wiki-spam is rampant, but I'm trying.