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Maybe it's the result of telling 2+ generations of boys that "males", especially "white males" (predominant in Canada) are the root of all problems in society a

• endisneigh 5y ago
  I’m curious - who is saying this? Have an example? Seems like an exaggeration. I’m sure it’s happened in some isolated cases, but I’m skeptical that this is a prevailing attitude
  • gjsman-1000 5y ago
    Have you walked on a college campus? It's always days for Feminists, days for LGBTQ, days for the Environment, days for minorities, days for women, days for everything - but a man's day is never mentioned. And these days are advertised everywhere - on bulletin boards, in the bathrooms, on TV screens.
    • endisneigh 5y ago
      Days for minorities and lgbtq include men though - are you implying men cannot be in any of the other groups you mentioned?
      • hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
        Try to organize a day for white heterosexual men and see what happens.
        • AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
          We have days for LGBTQ, women, and minorities because they are historically disenfranchised groups still dealing with societally systemic problems oriented against them. That is not true of white heterosexual men. It'd be like trying to organize a day for people from multimillionaire families. It doesn't make any sense.
          • endisneigh 5y ago
            I see where you’re coming from but I’m not sure comparing to millionaire families is apt - but I’ve seen plenty of things organized for low-income, rural, and 1st gen students which all include white heterosexual men, and if the census is to be believed, are the majority in some areas. I’ve also seen things for specific nationalities at my university like German, Italian, etc - groups traditionally considered “white.” I haven’t seen anything specifically for the broad encompassing group of white heterosexual men. Personally I think such a group would be meaningless as white heterosexual men encompass too many things. What would such a group even use as the mode of maintaining solidarity that wouldn’t be better served by a more specific group?
            • AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
              I don't see how that contradicts what I'm saying. Those are groups that don't historically have much representation in collegiate student bodies.
          • jessaustin 5y ago
            Every day is Rich People's Day!
          • jimbokun 5y ago
            > We have days for LGBTQ, women, and minorities because they are historically disenfranchised groups still dealing with societally systemic problems oriented against them. That is not true of white heterosexual men. No one even tries to defend these claims any more, they just try to get anyone who disagrees fired, expelled, or removed from social media platforms. For example, the entire context for this discussion is the sever under representation of men on college campuses. So how can you say systemic issues never negatively impact men? Also, it is very rare that those days ever identify specific systemic issues, with empirical evidence demonstrating them, with specific policy proposals to address them, with opportunity for debating whether those policies will actually work or have unintended negative consequences. It's pretty much exclusively moral posturing.
    • AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
      Many men are feminists, are LGBTQ, care about the environment, or are minorities...
      • trevcanhuman 5y ago
        > Many men are feminists, are LGBTQ, […] or are minorities... How can ‘many men’ be minorities ?
        • AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
          They can be of a non-white racial makeup? Edit: according to downvotes, men of color are apparently not minorities. TIL.
        • detaro 5y ago
          .... by being members of minority groups?
          • trevcanhuman 5y ago
            > Many men are feminists, are LGBTQ, […] or are minorities... Doesn’t he/she mean by “many” that it’s a big portion? Why would minorities keep being minorities when they are common ?
            • Volundr 5y ago
              If I have 67 green M&Ms and 33 red M&Ms, red is both in the minority and common. There are a great many different minority groups. It's common for someone to be in one or more. That doesn't stop them from being a minority.
              • trevcanhuman 5y ago
                ah, ok. My bad. I though by 'many' the commenter meant that most of people were minorities, which does not make much sense to me
    • colinmhayes 5y ago
      I have walked around many college campus's. Having days for minorities doesn't mean white men are the root of all evil, just like black lives matter doesn't mean that white lives don't.
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  • eplanit 5y ago
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=white+males+root+of+all+evil https://duckduckgo.com/?q=white+males+root+of+all+evil
    • rhcom2 5y ago
      2 out of 4 are arguing against the trope and the first link is blogspam.
• sgt 5y ago
  Is this actually happening though? I thought it was mostly just Twitter and subsequently the media feeling the need to write shocking stories. I have never had or heard someone tell me that it's bad to be white.
  • gjsman-1000 5y ago
    Simply walk into any college class which happens to have some race background. You'll be shocked. It's all Critical Race Theory, everywhere. My Writing teacher in community college in Minnesota would never shut up because she was also the gender studies teacher. The class was more CRT than Writing. We had to watch stories of black people being raped in writing class even though it had nothing to do with writing and we didn't need to write about it. I don't want to downplay their experience in any way - but it just doesn't belong.
    • ssully 5y ago
      Have you done this yourself? Can you tell me what critical race theory is?
      • whatshisface 5y ago
        English has a lot of strange phrases that mean something other than what you'd guess from parsing the words by what they mean. For example, critical race theory is a phrase in the imperative sense that means "start arguing right now."
      • newswriter99 5y ago
        Leftist propaganda.
        • myWindoonn 5y ago
          From WP: "Critical race theory (CRT) is a body of legal scholarship and an academic movement of US civil-rights scholars and activists who seek to critically examine the intersection of race and U.S. law and to challenge mainstream American liberal approaches to racial justice." It's legal theory, dumbass.
• hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
  Even though the issues you mention are real, you failed to provide a casual link between the two phenomena in question. "They are telling me I'm responsible for inequality in today's society so I won't go to college"? I'm not buying it.
  • gjsman-1000 5y ago
    Why would you go to a place that is increasingly expensive, people are increasingly open about how there are alternatives to college, and your professors and other students look down on you for being white and successful?
    • jessaustin 5y ago
      Here we seem to have identified some factors beyond the boring old "CRT has destroyed education" bullshit. Students who are already "successful" have no need of college whatever their race or gender. College is ridiculously expensive, especially when compared to what was available in e.g. 1970.
  • AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    They may perceive the "you're the problem" message as originating from colleges, or being especially strong there. They may not want to spend four years in an environment like that.
• rhcom2 5y ago
  Acknowledging a possible privileged position is not being called "the root of all problems in society and the world".
  • scohesc 5y ago
    Shaming people who had no hand in being brought into that privileged position is what's actually going on even though the institutions don't acknowledge it.
    • luffapi 5y ago
      It’s not “shaming”. It’s teaching history. Should they not teach kids about slavery, colonialism…? This is especially relevant in Canada where they have been uncovering mass graves of indigenous children at Catholic schools designed to convert Natives: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57325653 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57325653 That’s definitely something that needs more discussion and investigation. Edit: it’s absolutely appalling to downvote this. HN is trying to sweep genocide under the table now? This place is a toilet of reactionary racists.
      • gjsman-1000 5y ago
        It's not history - it's a wild leftist interpretation of history that tries to use "just history" as a defense. We have taught children for the last 100 years about the Civil War without needing to talk about how white people are still responsible today implicitly and have racial guilt.
        • luffapi 5y ago
          It’s not history that Europeans committed genocide on Natives? Colonialism isn’t historical fact? Slavery didn’t happen? Those kids bodies aren’t real? What kind of anti-intellectual position is that to take?
          • gjsman-1000 5y ago
• listless 5y ago
  Not sure why the downvotes here. This is an objectively true fact. And worse is that it’s not limited to white males. Nobody cares about our young black men either. 1/5 die of homicide while we reduce our police presence as if they are the most pressing problem. At least a white male stands a good chance of not being born into a high crime area they have virtually no chance of escaping. We suck at diagnosing and solving the real problems.
  • imbnwa 5y ago
    And the college gap is most pronounced amongst Black men and Black women, by an absurd ratio, so its fascinating to read a bunch of, presumably, majority CS degree holders who likely aren't Black or Latino talk about how white men have it worst for college enrollment
    • listless 5y ago
      Very true. Again - nobody really seems to care about black males despite the avalanche of hashtags.
    • Huwyt_Nashi_071 5y ago
      My understanding is that there are countless initiatives - official and unofficial - to select for black students in the form of targeted scholarships, reduced entry requirements, etc. Is that untrue? There would be hell if a single case of equally overt White preference was observed. It would also be interesting to know how jewish enrolments affect White statistics, in that they are disproportionately overrepresented in enrolments yet may be lumped in with "Whites" in some data (implying an even lower actual White representation).
    • Joe_Boy_001 5y ago
      My understanding is that there are countless initiatives - official and unofficial - to select for black students in the form of targeted scholarships, reduced entry requirements, etc. Is that untrue? There would be hell if a single case of equally overt White preference was observed. Wow some very trigger happy cucks on today. Fuck niggers and kikes.
• fbelzile 5y ago
  First, I don't think it's been going on for 2+ generations. Second, who is saying "white males" are the root of all problems? I mean, it's objectively true since we've predominately been in positions of power (European & new world) for the greater part of history. That said, I'm sure women can mess things up equally as bad if they were in the same positions of power. Third, there's still an under-representation of women in STEM. Whether that's because a chicken-and-egg problem with visibility (or that women, on average, just don't want those jobs) is yet to be seen.
  • BobbyJo 5y ago
    > Second, who is saying "white males" are the root of all problems? I mean, it's objectively true since we've predominately been in positions of power.... So... you then. You are an example of who is saying what you are saying.
  • lvass 5y ago
    >it's objectively true since we've predominately been in positions of power (European & new world) for the greater part of history Excuse me? That's ridiculously eurocentric and only contributes to "visibility problems" you seem to care about. It may have been somewhat true for a few hundred years, but there are many cultures that stood millenia without any european influence whatsoever. And in the very near future, asian countries will surpass the west in terms of influence, as it has been for a long time.
  • newswriter99 5y ago
    "Second, who is saying "white males" are the root of all problems? I mean, it's objectively true..." Go back to Reddit.
  • 11thEarlOfMar 5y ago
    Men, yes. White, no. Looking at the most extreme form of 'problems' a society can have, 4 of the 10 most deadly genocides were in Asia, 3 were in Africa, 2 in Europe/Russia, 1 in the Middle East. All of humanity has the capacity to both oppress and murder en masse. https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pol116/genocides.htm https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pol116/genocides.htm
• dang 5y ago
  Edit: actually, you've been using HN primarily for ideological battle, and have ignored our repeated requests to stop. As I explained to you before (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25934337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25934337), that's the line at which we ban accounts (see https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...), so I've banned this account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. --- We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28539299 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28539299. Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar, such as race and gender flamewar. I realize it's not always easy to post about this topics without being inflammatory, but the subthread we got here is an example of exactly what we don't want on HN, and this was pretty predictable from the way your comment ratcheted up the inflammation. I think this is an instructive case - if you look at the parent subthread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28539299 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28539299) without this flamewar, it's clear that it's much better. Not that every comment is good or flamebait-free, but the discussion is more substantive and (not coincidentally) on topic.
  • luffapi 5y ago
    Have you considered banning accounts that post racist trash like this instead of banning and censoring people who rightly call it out? You’re currently stewarding a white supremacist community and I have no idea how you sleep at night. This thread needs a lot more attention on it. Not only does it demonstrate how racist and sexist this community is, it shows nicely how complicit you personally are in allowing this to happen. Compare your response to this racist comment to this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28542045 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28542045
    • dang 5y ago
      People with strong ideological commitments always think the mods are stewarding their enemies, especially when they happen to run across a case of us banning someone who they agree with ideologically. The assumption is that we must have banned that account for secret ideological reasons. Actually I banned it because it broke the site guidelines egregiously, has a pattern of doing so, and has ignored previous requests to stop. I also offered to unban it if the account holder wants to commit to following the rules in the future. If you think this is evidence of ideological bias, that's a misinterpretation—you're drawing a signal from the data (or rather, from one random observation) that doesn't exist. This is a classic cognitive bias: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22always%20feels%22%20mods%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor..., https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20dislike%20notice&sort=byDate&type=story&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que.... Since mods get this sort of attack nearly every day for years, you can understand that after a while we get a little desensitized to it—especially because the attacks are so contradictory. The other side thinks that we're secretly stewarding HN in your favor. Lots of examples here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870 and I could give you hundreds more. I think your characterization of this community is wildly inaccurate, for similar reasons. Yes, HN gets comments of all sorts—to expect anything else from an open internet community with millions of members is unrealistic. To act like the worst of the comments, or the ones that you happen to disagree with the most, characterize the community as a whole is a big non sequitur, driven by the same cognitive biases (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20dislike%20notice&sort=byDate&type=story&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...). If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. You can help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=likeliest%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... That said, you're right that I missed something- I missed the pattern of behavior in the GP's comment history. That was a mistake.