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Launching Rust Cloud Native

54 points by nickgerace 5y ago

ctvo 5y ago
I'm not too bright, so apologies in advance. What is this? And why do people need to care? You made a new Github organization to ... do what? Are you launching a new CloudNative project in Rust? It's an umbrella group with a cute logo and it doesn't do or own anything? But there's a launch? My head is exploding.
- wyldfire 5y ago
  The page seems pretty clear about the goals. Based on the https://github.com/rust-embedded https://github.com/rust-embedded group (which appears to curate/incubate some repos on that theme), there's a new group focused on using rust in the cloud.
  - ctvo 5y ago
    I understand they're attempting to emulate rust-embedded. Perhaps launch this when you have a repo with code to share? People care about rust-embedded because of the quality of the projects under the umbrella. Would anyone care if rust-embedded had only a vague wiki page and nothing else to offer?
    - breakfastduck 5y ago
      How will people know there's a place to share the code if there's no repo launched?
      - Kinrany 5y ago
        I don't know, but assume it's usually "hey Alice, hey Bob, I made Charliecracker, you made FlannAlice and Bobernetes, we're working on similar things, let's form a club".
      - nickgerace 5y ago
        These are fair points. I've addressed them in comments within the main thread. We (me, at the moment) am making changes to the original post and the repositories themselves, to clarify intent here. TLDR: there was a bit of a "the chicken and the egg" problem with cloud native Rust. My approach might not have resulted in the cleanest "launch", but with few volunteer hours and nothing similar in existence, I wanted to at least provide a sandbox or canvas for issue/discussion filers to help dictate where it goes next.
- fnord77 5y ago
  looks like some people just trying to capitalize on rust. there's nothing here.
querez 5y ago
This is a very confusing announcement of..... what exactly? A github repo hosting the blog that the announcement was posted on! There isn't anything of substance here, as far as I can tell. While the whole thing "looks" official and has a very official name, there is nothing of substance there. Some of the text is incoherent, telling us that the author learned some Rust as a break from university (good for him!). Some parts of the text use "we" language, other parts "I" language. But nothing really explains what this is about or why anyone should care, what the actual deliverables of this nebulous "organization" will be, who its participants are (other than blog-author-dude), how much industry support it has, or why this will have any impact. But on the flipside, the mission statement is a clearly defined "We want to do what you want to do" (actual quote from the page), and there is a whole GitHub repo hosting the logo of the project, so clearly this is going places.
- tux3 5y ago
  It seems they're just planting a flagpole, since no one else had done it yet, and calling for people who are interested to regroup under that label. Why not. Sometimes it really just takes a name and a place for people who have common goals to work together.
  - shred45 5y ago
    What confuses me is that I know for a fact that several of those projects have or will be joining the CNCF, so I’m not sure they are in need of a governing body.
    - Nullabillity 5y ago
      As a co-maintainer of kube-rs, this is the first I've heard of this working group. I don't have anything against them or the idea per se, but I'd have appreciated a heads up before being listed in a way that could be read as us endorsing them.
      - nickgerace 5y ago
csomar 5y ago
/self-plug/ If you are looking for something that works, today: There is rust-musl-builder: https://hub.docker.com/r/ekidd/rust-musl-builder/ https://hub.docker.com/r/ekidd/rust-musl-builder/ While I didn't make rust-musl-builder, I make and (though a bit busy lately) maintain rust-starter (https://github.com/rust-starter/rust-starter https://github.com/rust-starter/rust-starter) Look inside the docker directory, and in the Just file. You can generate an alpine linux docker image/container that has only your program and any dependencies statically linked. This should, in theory, run your application in any cloud or linux server that has Docker support. Your image should also be very small (a few dozen megabytes at most).
StevePerkins 5y ago
Haha... if this were about literally ANYTHING other than Rust, then this blogspam wouldn't be on the front page of Hacker News at all. I've tinkered with the language. It has some interesting ideas. More power to its fans. But sheesh, you folks get into "vegan" or "CrossFit" territory sometimes.
- echelon 5y ago
  > you folks are getting into "vegan" or "CrossFit" territory with this thing. It's more like CRISPR for our industry. Or the invention of the seat belt. Safe and modern, when you typically had to choose just one. You wouldn't go calling those seat belt people crazy, would you? It also comes at a time where the scripting, dynamic types, and bad package managers are coming under increased scrutiny. The culmination of so many headwinds meets a language that addresses all of the problems. Rust should eat Python, Ruby, and Javascript too. It's not just coming for C++'s lunch.
- darksaints 5y ago
  I totally understand the annoyance with cult-like behavior in the tech industry...and even as a fan of Rust, I can't help but see how obnoxious the fandom can be. But I would much rather that cults form around ideas like memory safety in low-level languages than things like Elon Musk or Apple...which is literally everywhere on HN. Almost any postitive headline about either makes the front page in like 10 seconds, and almost any negative headline gets flagged and dumped off the front page (and the same goes for comments in their respective threads). The teeny bopper-like obsession with Rust is relatively benign in comparison.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    Many keep trying since 1950's, unfortunely it took a free beer OS to spoil it, and now it is a quixotic battle of multiple generations to come, to bring it back into course.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
      Free OSs didn't spoil it, since their competition was also written in memory unsafe languages
htlbx 5y ago
Sounds like more marxism. What is wrong with 20 year olds today?

54 points by nickgerace 5y ago

ctvo 5y ago

I'm not too bright, so apologies in advance. What is this? And why do people need to care? You made a new Github organization to ... do what? Are you launching a new CloudNative project in Rust? It's an umbrella group with a cute logo and it doesn't do or own anything? But there's a launch? My head is exploding.

wyldfire 5y ago
The page seems pretty clear about the goals. Based on the https://github.com/rust-embedded https://github.com/rust-embedded group (which appears to curate/incubate some repos on that theme), there's a new group focused on using rust in the cloud.
- ctvo 5y ago
  I understand they're attempting to emulate rust-embedded. Perhaps launch this when you have a repo with code to share? People care about rust-embedded because of the quality of the projects under the umbrella. Would anyone care if rust-embedded had only a vague wiki page and nothing else to offer?
  - breakfastduck 5y ago
    How will people know there's a place to share the code if there's no repo launched?
    - Kinrany 5y ago
      I don't know, but assume it's usually "hey Alice, hey Bob, I made Charliecracker, you made FlannAlice and Bobernetes, we're working on similar things, let's form a club".
    - nickgerace 5y ago
      These are fair points. I've addressed them in comments within the main thread. We (me, at the moment) am making changes to the original post and the repositories themselves, to clarify intent here. TLDR: there was a bit of a "the chicken and the egg" problem with cloud native Rust. My approach might not have resulted in the cleanest "launch", but with few volunteer hours and nothing similar in existence, I wanted to at least provide a sandbox or canvas for issue/discussion filers to help dictate where it goes next.
fnord77 5y ago
looks like some people just trying to capitalize on rust. there's nothing here.

querez 5y ago

This is a very confusing announcement of..... what exactly? A github repo hosting the blog that the announcement was posted on! There isn't anything of substance here, as far as I can tell. While the whole thing "looks" official and has a very official name, there is nothing of substance there. Some of the text is incoherent, telling us that the author learned some Rust as a break from university (good for him!). Some parts of the text use "we" language, other parts "I" language. But nothing really explains what this is about or why anyone should care, what the actual deliverables of this nebulous "organization" will be, who its participants are (other than blog-author-dude), how much industry support it has, or why this will have any impact. But on the flipside, the mission statement is a clearly defined "We want to do what you want to do" (actual quote from the page), and there is a whole GitHub repo hosting the logo of the project, so clearly this is going places.

tux3 5y ago
It seems they're just planting a flagpole, since no one else had done it yet, and calling for people who are interested to regroup under that label. Why not. Sometimes it really just takes a name and a place for people who have common goals to work together.
- shred45 5y ago
  What confuses me is that I know for a fact that several of those projects have or will be joining the CNCF, so I’m not sure they are in need of a governing body.
  - Nullabillity 5y ago
    As a co-maintainer of kube-rs, this is the first I've heard of this working group. I don't have anything against them or the idea per se, but I'd have appreciated a heads up before being listed in a way that could be read as us endorsing them.
    - nickgerace 5y ago

csomar 5y ago

/self-plug/ If you are looking for something that works, today: There is rust-musl-builder: https://hub.docker.com/r/ekidd/rust-musl-builder/ https://hub.docker.com/r/ekidd/rust-musl-builder/ While I didn't make rust-musl-builder, I make and (though a bit busy lately) maintain rust-starter (https://github.com/rust-starter/rust-starter https://github.com/rust-starter/rust-starter) Look inside the docker directory, and in the Just file. You can generate an alpine linux docker image/container that has only your program and any dependencies statically linked. This should, in theory, run your application in any cloud or linux server that has Docker support. Your image should also be very small (a few dozen megabytes at most).

StevePerkins 5y ago

Haha... if this were about literally ANYTHING other than Rust, then this blogspam wouldn't be on the front page of Hacker News at all. I've tinkered with the language. It has some interesting ideas. More power to its fans. But sheesh, you folks get into "vegan" or "CrossFit" territory sometimes.

echelon 5y ago
> you folks are getting into "vegan" or "CrossFit" territory with this thing. It's more like CRISPR for our industry. Or the invention of the seat belt. Safe and modern, when you typically had to choose just one. You wouldn't go calling those seat belt people crazy, would you? It also comes at a time where the scripting, dynamic types, and bad package managers are coming under increased scrutiny. The culmination of so many headwinds meets a language that addresses all of the problems. Rust should eat Python, Ruby, and Javascript too. It's not just coming for C++'s lunch.
darksaints 5y ago
I totally understand the annoyance with cult-like behavior in the tech industry...and even as a fan of Rust, I can't help but see how obnoxious the fandom can be. But I would much rather that cults form around ideas like memory safety in low-level languages than things like Elon Musk or Apple...which is literally everywhere on HN. Almost any postitive headline about either makes the front page in like 10 seconds, and almost any negative headline gets flagged and dumped off the front page (and the same goes for comments in their respective threads). The teeny bopper-like obsession with Rust is relatively benign in comparison.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  Many keep trying since 1950's, unfortunely it took a free beer OS to spoil it, and now it is a quixotic battle of multiple generations to come, to bring it back into course.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
    Free OSs didn't spoil it, since their competition was also written in memory unsafe languages

htlbx 5y ago

Sounds like more marxism. What is wrong with 20 year olds today?