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Have you got a citation that Hamas is on a religious mission to "kill all non-muslims". From what I have read and understood, it's primary focus is to resist t

by zd123 5y ago

Have you got a citation that Hamas is on a religious mission to "kill all non-muslims". From what I have read and understood, it's primary focus is to resist the Zionists which repeatedly encroach on Palestinian land. Imo, making a comparison to ISIS is a tad bit lazy given the historical buildup to the problems in Israel. Just because a bunch of guys have big beards and shout in Arabic doesn't really make them equivalent in their aims.

emacsen 5y ago
> Have you got a citation that Hamas is on a religious mission to "kill all non-muslims". Read their own literature, read Wikipedia, read any source on Hamas. This isn't a hidden agenda, this is their stated goal. > it's primary focus is to resist the Zionists which repeatedly encroach on Palestinian land. I addressed the issue of "Palestinian" in the previous comments. There are extreme Zionists and there are people like me who support the idea of a safe place for Jews even if we don't support the previous Israeli government- the current one is too new to have an opinion on. And we're Zionists too. I want to see peace and equality for all the people. > Imo, making a comparison to ISIS is a tad bit lazy given the historical buildup to the problems in Israel. Just because a bunch of guys have big beards and shout in Arabic doesn't really make them equivalent in their aims. It would be lazy if I were doing that, but I wasn't. I was explaining their ideology, explaining why it's different than the PLO. As for have big beards- Jews have big beards too, and some of the Jews with big beards in my family speak Arabic as their native language, so what's your point?
- azth 5y ago
  > support the idea of a safe place for Jews Make a "safe space" for them in America or Europe. Don't occupy and rape foreign lands.
  - jessaustin 5y ago
    But... it's in the bible! John Hagee wants to see Armageddon! Never mind the fact that most modern Israelis (and all of their leaders) are of European rather than Semitic descent...
    - seoaeu 5y ago
      ...actually most Israelis are of middle eastern descent
      - azth 5y ago
        No they're not. Most came from Eastern Europe.
    - dang 5y ago
      Please stop adding to flamewars, and don't post like this to HN in the future, regardless of which side you're on or how right you are or feel you are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - dang 5y ago
    Please stop adding to flamewars, and don't post like this to HN in the future, regardless of which side you're on or how right you are or feel you are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- zd123 5y ago
  > Read their own literature, read Wikipedia, read any source on Hamas. This isn't a hidden agenda, this is their stated goal. Interesting you say that. I read around and nowhere does it say their aim is to "kill all non-muslims". From what I have read, it says the organisation wants to resist the Zionist occupation. Looking at the Wiki (perhaps the most easily available source of information), it references a book on the conflict: "To evoke the spirit of Jihad (Resistance) among Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims; to defend Palestinians and their land against the Zionist occupation and its manifestations; to liberate Palestinians and their land that was usurped by the Zionist occupation forces and settlers" [0] Personally, that to me does not sound like "kill all non-muslims". In fact, there are several christian groups living under Hamas controlled areas. > I addressed the issue of "Palestinian" in the previous comments. There are extreme Zionists and there are people like me who support the idea of a safe place for Jews even if we don't support the previous Israeli government- the current one is too new to have an opinion on. And we're Zionists too. I want to see peace and equality for all the people. That's admiral, and I also would like the same thing. But do you think that this is realistically going to happen? The government of Israel seems pretty adept at pushing a "existential-crisis" narrative. I went to a wedding of a my friend whose Grandpa is Jewish and at the wedding he was making a speech along the lines of "Israel is for God's chosen people (the Jews)". This was an educated dude who had lived in different countries. How can someone see themselves as God's chosen people, yet want complete equality? This problem also effects other religions mind you, so not a rant at Zionist Jews only. > I was explaining their ideology, explaining why it's different than the PLO. As for have big beards- Jews have big beards too, and some of the Jews with big beards in my family speak Arabic as their native language, so what's your point? My point is there is no equivalence in the two organisations aims, beyond the somewhat superficial one of them speaking arabic and having big beards. ISIS was killing countless of Shia muslims in Syria/Iraq. Hamas on the other hand is backed by the de-facto Shia state, Iran, via another Shia organisation in Lebanon. 0.[Source](https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=icV4k__xMmgC&pg=PA106&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=icV4k__xMmgC&pg=PA106&re...)
  - poisonarena 5y ago
    What about Hamas's charter? https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818.htm https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818.htm " Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. "Let the eyes of the cowards not fall asleep." " I posted it above and was downvoted. This quote, and the rest of their charter is filled with crazy stuff.
- dang 5y ago
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mustafa_pasi 5y ago
There are Catholic priests and nuns, and some 1100 Christians in total living in Gaza which as far as I know is controlled by Hamas.
- poisonarena 5y ago
  how many jews?
pelorat 5y ago
The goal of Islam is 100% conversion of humanity, and death for those who resists. That's literally why it was invented 1500 years ag; World peace when everyone's a Muslim. The central idea behind the faith.
- tremon 5y ago
  As was the military goal of the Roman empire 1000 years before that. There's a reason pacificare is alternately translated as "to pacify" and "to subdue", the Romans didn't make that distinction either.
  - dang 5y ago
    "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 5y ago
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by zd123 5y ago

emacsen 5y ago

> Have you got a citation that Hamas is on a religious mission to "kill all non-muslims". Read their own literature, read Wikipedia, read any source on Hamas. This isn't a hidden agenda, this is their stated goal. > it's primary focus is to resist the Zionists which repeatedly encroach on Palestinian land. I addressed the issue of "Palestinian" in the previous comments. There are extreme Zionists and there are people like me who support the idea of a safe place for Jews even if we don't support the previous Israeli government- the current one is too new to have an opinion on. And we're Zionists too. I want to see peace and equality for all the people. > Imo, making a comparison to ISIS is a tad bit lazy given the historical buildup to the problems in Israel. Just because a bunch of guys have big beards and shout in Arabic doesn't really make them equivalent in their aims. It would be lazy if I were doing that, but I wasn't. I was explaining their ideology, explaining why it's different than the PLO. As for have big beards- Jews have big beards too, and some of the Jews with big beards in my family speak Arabic as their native language, so what's your point?

azth 5y ago
> support the idea of a safe place for Jews Make a "safe space" for them in America or Europe. Don't occupy and rape foreign lands.
- jessaustin 5y ago
  But... it's in the bible! John Hagee wants to see Armageddon! Never mind the fact that most modern Israelis (and all of their leaders) are of European rather than Semitic descent...
  - seoaeu 5y ago
    ...actually most Israelis are of middle eastern descent
    - azth 5y ago
      No they're not. Most came from Eastern Europe.
  - dang 5y ago
    Please stop adding to flamewars, and don't post like this to HN in the future, regardless of which side you're on or how right you are or feel you are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 5y ago
  Please stop adding to flamewars, and don't post like this to HN in the future, regardless of which side you're on or how right you are or feel you are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
zd123 5y ago
> Read their own literature, read Wikipedia, read any source on Hamas. This isn't a hidden agenda, this is their stated goal. Interesting you say that. I read around and nowhere does it say their aim is to "kill all non-muslims". From what I have read, it says the organisation wants to resist the Zionist occupation. Looking at the Wiki (perhaps the most easily available source of information), it references a book on the conflict: "To evoke the spirit of Jihad (Resistance) among Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims; to defend Palestinians and their land against the Zionist occupation and its manifestations; to liberate Palestinians and their land that was usurped by the Zionist occupation forces and settlers" [0] Personally, that to me does not sound like "kill all non-muslims". In fact, there are several christian groups living under Hamas controlled areas. > I addressed the issue of "Palestinian" in the previous comments. There are extreme Zionists and there are people like me who support the idea of a safe place for Jews even if we don't support the previous Israeli government- the current one is too new to have an opinion on. And we're Zionists too. I want to see peace and equality for all the people. That's admiral, and I also would like the same thing. But do you think that this is realistically going to happen? The government of Israel seems pretty adept at pushing a "existential-crisis" narrative. I went to a wedding of a my friend whose Grandpa is Jewish and at the wedding he was making a speech along the lines of "Israel is for God's chosen people (the Jews)". This was an educated dude who had lived in different countries. How can someone see themselves as God's chosen people, yet want complete equality? This problem also effects other religions mind you, so not a rant at Zionist Jews only. > I was explaining their ideology, explaining why it's different than the PLO. As for have big beards- Jews have big beards too, and some of the Jews with big beards in my family speak Arabic as their native language, so what's your point? My point is there is no equivalence in the two organisations aims, beyond the somewhat superficial one of them speaking arabic and having big beards. ISIS was killing countless of Shia muslims in Syria/Iraq. Hamas on the other hand is backed by the de-facto Shia state, Iran, via another Shia organisation in Lebanon. 0.[Source](https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=icV4k__xMmgC&pg=PA106&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=icV4k__xMmgC&pg=PA106&re...)
- poisonarena 5y ago
  What about Hamas's charter? https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818.htm https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818.htm " Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. "Let the eyes of the cowards not fall asleep." " I posted it above and was downvoted. This quote, and the rest of their charter is filled with crazy stuff.
dang 5y ago
Please stop adding to flamewars, and don't post like this to HN in the future, regardless of which side you're on or how right you are or feel you are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

mustafa_pasi 5y ago

There are Catholic priests and nuns, and some 1100 Christians in total living in Gaza which as far as I know is controlled by Hamas.

poisonarena 5y ago
how many jews?

pelorat 5y ago

The goal of Islam is 100% conversion of humanity, and death for those who resists. That's literally why it was invented 1500 years ag; World peace when everyone's a Muslim. The central idea behind the faith.

tremon 5y ago
As was the military goal of the Roman empire 1000 years before that. There's a reason pacificare is alternately translated as "to pacify" and "to subdue", the Romans didn't make that distinction either.
- dang 5y ago
  "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 5y ago
You can't do religious flamewar on HN and if you do it again we will ban you. No more of this, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html