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Oh wow, thank you for this. :) I was just restoring an iMac G3, the Flower Power edition, and ran into more trouble than I expected trying to transfer data via

Oh wow, thank you for this. :) I was just restoring an iMac G3, the Flower Power edition, and ran into more trouble than I expected trying to transfer data via a USB flash drive. Filesystems that Mac OS 9 should support were either not mounting properly or causing errors during file transfer when formatted on a modern Apple or Linux system (exFAT was the only one I could get to work for some reason). I’ve been casually looking around for some sort of NAS solution that would be compatible with older versions of Mac OS, but with native scp I can just download files from a Linux box (perhaps a dedicated Raspberry Pi) and skip right to the fun part: exploring all of the weird, cool and charming software and games from this era. So cool!

Lammy 5y ago
> some sort of NAS solution that would be compatible with older versions of Mac OS http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/ http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/ :)
- im_down_w_otp 5y ago
  You have to run the 2.x series to interoperate with older "classic" Macs. Nearly everything these days packages the 3.x series and thus only works with more recent OS X clients.
  - Lammy 5y ago
    That is true for AFP over AppleTalk, yes. Netatalk3 only supports AFP over TCP, but that's fine as far back as System 7 using AppleShare Workstation with MacTCP. System 7.6 and later can use AppleShare Client 3.8.8 with OpenTransport: https://web.archive.org/web/20110418060150/https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1272 https://web.archive.org/web/20110418060150/https://support.a...
    - im_down_w_otp 5y ago
      It's not the protocols that are entirely the problem. It's the authentication mechanisms that also create limitations. I had zero luck getting my 6.0.8 thru 8.6 installs to connect to Netatalk hosts on either my FreeNAS box or my Ubuntu 20.10 workstation until I manually built and installed the old 2.x tree.
      - Lammy 5y ago
        It's been a few years so I don't remember if I ran into any difficulties or what options I may have changed from default, but I've definitely used it with my Quadra v(._. )v https://i.imgur.com/yjGGN9k.jpg https://i.imgur.com/yjGGN9k.jpg
        im_down_w_otp 5y ago
        It's entirely possible I just couldn't get the right mix and config together with 3.x It just went from fiddly and non-working to braindead easy once I downgraded to 2.x :shrug:
      - kalleboo 5y ago
        FWIW I've had no trouble connecting to the built-in install of netatalk 3.1.8 on my Synology NAS from MacOS 8.1. I can't remember if I had to tweak the config or not.
  - rjsw 5y ago
    Netatalk 2.2 will work on a NetBSD server.
tikwidd 5y ago
For classic macs with ethernet ports, the simplest method I have found is to host a basic FTP server on another computer (e.g. you can set one up easily enough on a Raspberry Pi) and use an Ftp client such as Fetch on the mac side. I use this method to get files to and from my LC III, which also functions as a bridge baby to the really old macs via the Appletalk serial port.
- im_down_w_otp 5y ago
  This is what I do, and it works pretty well if a little cumbersome at times. I have a little museum I've built in my office during the pandemic that consists of: - SE/30 - Docked Duo 280c - 7100/80 - PowerComputing PT Pro 250 - NeXT TurboStation My primary Linux workstation is where I browse for old software and download it, then I get at stuff from the vintage Macs via FTP using either Interarchy or Fetch. Rather than run a bunch of Ethernet cables all over the place I put little Ethernet to Wifi bridge adapters on them. Works great.
  - tikwidd 5y ago
    Neat! I just have an LC III, SE and Powerbook 1400 running at the moment. Always wanted to find a NeXT... > Rather than run a bunch of Ethernet cables all over the place I put little Ethernet to Wifi bridge adapters on them. Works great. That's genius, thanks for the tip.
    - fzzzy 5y ago
      I had a next slab in the 00s but I had to get rid of it because of space. Recently, I had a Pentium 3 random machine and I finally managed to install OpenStep 4.2 on it. The trick is to find the absolute latest patch to have the VESA driver so you can have color. If you are curious about NeXT, I highly recommend finding a random intel pc from the 90s and installing the intel NeXTStep versions or OpenStep.
      - classichasclass 5y ago
        NeXTSTEP is also really great on PA-RISC, if you want an oddball combination.
cy384 5y ago
unfortunately, file transfer isn't in yet, but it's the next feature I'm working on, probably within a week or two
jonhohle 5y ago
netatalk is a open source AFP/AppleTalk implementation that I’ve used for years (supports file shares, Time Machine, etc.)

Lammy 5y ago

> some sort of NAS solution that would be compatible with older versions of Mac OS http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/ http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/ :)

im_down_w_otp 5y ago
You have to run the 2.x series to interoperate with older "classic" Macs. Nearly everything these days packages the 3.x series and thus only works with more recent OS X clients.
- Lammy 5y ago
  That is true for AFP over AppleTalk, yes. Netatalk3 only supports AFP over TCP, but that's fine as far back as System 7 using AppleShare Workstation with MacTCP. System 7.6 and later can use AppleShare Client 3.8.8 with OpenTransport: https://web.archive.org/web/20110418060150/https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1272 https://web.archive.org/web/20110418060150/https://support.a...
  - im_down_w_otp 5y ago
    It's not the protocols that are entirely the problem. It's the authentication mechanisms that also create limitations. I had zero luck getting my 6.0.8 thru 8.6 installs to connect to Netatalk hosts on either my FreeNAS box or my Ubuntu 20.10 workstation until I manually built and installed the old 2.x tree.
    - Lammy 5y ago
      It's been a few years so I don't remember if I ran into any difficulties or what options I may have changed from default, but I've definitely used it with my Quadra v(._. )v https://i.imgur.com/yjGGN9k.jpg https://i.imgur.com/yjGGN9k.jpg
      - im_down_w_otp 5y ago
        It's entirely possible I just couldn't get the right mix and config together with 3.x It just went from fiddly and non-working to braindead easy once I downgraded to 2.x :shrug:
    - kalleboo 5y ago
      FWIW I've had no trouble connecting to the built-in install of netatalk 3.1.8 on my Synology NAS from MacOS 8.1. I can't remember if I had to tweak the config or not.
- rjsw 5y ago
  Netatalk 2.2 will work on a NetBSD server.

tikwidd 5y ago

For classic macs with ethernet ports, the simplest method I have found is to host a basic FTP server on another computer (e.g. you can set one up easily enough on a Raspberry Pi) and use an Ftp client such as Fetch on the mac side. I use this method to get files to and from my LC III, which also functions as a bridge baby to the really old macs via the Appletalk serial port.

im_down_w_otp 5y ago
This is what I do, and it works pretty well if a little cumbersome at times. I have a little museum I've built in my office during the pandemic that consists of: - SE/30 - Docked Duo 280c - 7100/80 - PowerComputing PT Pro 250 - NeXT TurboStation My primary Linux workstation is where I browse for old software and download it, then I get at stuff from the vintage Macs via FTP using either Interarchy or Fetch. Rather than run a bunch of Ethernet cables all over the place I put little Ethernet to Wifi bridge adapters on them. Works great.
- tikwidd 5y ago
  Neat! I just have an LC III, SE and Powerbook 1400 running at the moment. Always wanted to find a NeXT... > Rather than run a bunch of Ethernet cables all over the place I put little Ethernet to Wifi bridge adapters on them. Works great. That's genius, thanks for the tip.
  - fzzzy 5y ago
    I had a next slab in the 00s but I had to get rid of it because of space. Recently, I had a Pentium 3 random machine and I finally managed to install OpenStep 4.2 on it. The trick is to find the absolute latest patch to have the VESA driver so you can have color. If you are curious about NeXT, I highly recommend finding a random intel pc from the 90s and installing the intel NeXTStep versions or OpenStep.
    - classichasclass 5y ago
      NeXTSTEP is also really great on PA-RISC, if you want an oddball combination.

cy384 5y ago

unfortunately, file transfer isn't in yet, but it's the next feature I'm working on, probably within a week or two

jonhohle 5y ago

netatalk is a open source AFP/AppleTalk implementation that I’ve used for years (supports file shares, Time Machine, etc.)