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Not sure why this comment is getting downvoted. Seems like a rational opinion? What am I missing?

by natex 5y ago

aliswe 5y ago
"disagree, lets downvote"
- e12e 5y ago
  Probably? I don't really agree with gp, but up-voted, as it reads like a reasonable argument. Normally I'd probably neither up or down vote, but I generally browse with "show dead" - and it's sad to see comments down voted to oblivion when users offer an opinion that's just slightly against the consensus. Without dissenting opinions there's not much debate left. /meta
  - systemvoltage 5y ago
    Yup. I have come to realize that not seeing any dissenting opinions is scary and terrifying. So thanks for being charitable in this pursuit. There are a lot of ideas on HN that get no pushback and mob mentality that I want to challenge and contest. I don't think tax filing process is that bad but it is magnetizing to say "I filed my taxes while on a bus on a vacation" than to dig into the deeper implications of what that means. To be honest, I objectively like Dutch system for simple taxes similar to 1040EZ form in USA. I philosophically and ideologically oppose it. And, furthermore, I have no faith in our government and its ability to run efficiently.
  - aliswe 5y ago
    Well put! Ah well, I don't believe in "karma" anyway ...
spaetzleesser 5y ago
It’s not a rational opinion. It’s based on not understanding how the process works in other countries.
jeltz 5y ago
That the word challange is overly dramatic plus technically incorrect (adding a deduction that the government could not possibly know of is not a challenge). In actuality you just add any missing deductions, double check the numbers and then submit. His proposed system is just busy work. That said I did not downvote.
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  I've outlined the reasons here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27908298 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27908298 The problem is that I am not a tax expert and but it rings a lot of alarm bells of expansion of government power. We're effectively bandwagoning behind Netherland's system while ignoring the massive differences between levels of government, size of population and scale, and the overall law making process. All for a stupendous reason = Ease of filing. Filing taxes on a bus while on vacation is such a outrageously insignificant 'feature'.

Not sure why this comment is getting downvoted. Seems like a rational opinion? What am I missing?

by natex 5y ago

Not sure why this comment is getting downvoted. Seems like a rational opinion? What am I missing?

aliswe 5y ago

"disagree, lets downvote"

e12e 5y ago
Probably? I don't really agree with gp, but up-voted, as it reads like a reasonable argument. Normally I'd probably neither up or down vote, but I generally browse with "show dead" - and it's sad to see comments down voted to oblivion when users offer an opinion that's just slightly against the consensus. Without dissenting opinions there's not much debate left. /meta
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  Yup. I have come to realize that not seeing any dissenting opinions is scary and terrifying. So thanks for being charitable in this pursuit. There are a lot of ideas on HN that get no pushback and mob mentality that I want to challenge and contest. I don't think tax filing process is that bad but it is magnetizing to say "I filed my taxes while on a bus on a vacation" than to dig into the deeper implications of what that means. To be honest, I objectively like Dutch system for simple taxes similar to 1040EZ form in USA. I philosophically and ideologically oppose it. And, furthermore, I have no faith in our government and its ability to run efficiently.
- aliswe 5y ago
  Well put! Ah well, I don't believe in "karma" anyway ...

spaetzleesser 5y ago

It’s not a rational opinion. It’s based on not understanding how the process works in other countries.

jeltz 5y ago

That the word challange is overly dramatic plus technically incorrect (adding a deduction that the government could not possibly know of is not a challenge). In actuality you just add any missing deductions, double check the numbers and then submit. His proposed system is just busy work. That said I did not downvote.

systemvoltage 5y ago
I've outlined the reasons here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27908298 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27908298 The problem is that I am not a tax expert and but it rings a lot of alarm bells of expansion of government power. We're effectively bandwagoning behind Netherland's system while ignoring the massive differences between levels of government, size of population and scale, and the overall law making process. All for a stupendous reason = Ease of filing. Filing taxes on a bus while on vacation is such a outrageously insignificant 'feature'.