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The original is a delight to read. Sadly, I can't help but wonder how many would be "triggered" by the answers today. How do we, as a society, start accepting

The original is a delight to read. Sadly, I can't help but wonder how many would be "triggered" by the answers today. How do we, as a society, start accepting rational self-criticism again?

johnchristopher 5y ago
> How do we, as a society, start accepting rational self-criticism again? A good starting point would be to stop using the word "trigger" when someone reacts in a way you don't like to something you say. Personally I interpret it as a way to diminish the other side position by suggesting they don't have control over their emotions regarding some subjects. Not a good start.
- drglitch 5y ago
  Is there a more appropriate word to describe this? Honest question as a non-native English speaker. Seems like this is a commonly used term/usage: https://www.google.com/amp/s/dictionary.cambridge.org/us/amp/english/triggered https://www.google.com/amp/s/dictionary.cambridge.org/us/amp...
  - adamjb 5y ago
    "Offended" would be my suggestion. "Triggered" is only really used in this sense as part of bad faith culture war discourse, mocking the idea of trigger warnings.
    - bkirkby 5y ago
      I've heard advocates of trigger warnings share their lived experience by talking about what "triggered" them, using that word specifically.
      - wffurr 5y ago
        There's a big difference between describing one's own experience and labeling others.
      - dogorman 5y ago
        The word is used in the context of PTSD. e.g. "hearing fireworks triggered flashbacks from the war" More generally, a "trigger warning" is a "content advisory warning" by another name.
    - Shorel 5y ago
      I don't think they mock the idea of triggers. They leverage and weaponize the concept, which is arguably worse.
- thatguy0900 5y ago
  ? but trigger was started and used by that side themselves.
  - afarrell 5y ago
    I’d advise reading the book “112 Gripes about the French” and then applying that same empathy to the people you dislike in our modern era.
    - thatguy0900 5y ago
      Where did you get I disliked anybody? Parent used "sides" before I did, and it's seems absurd to say the right started trigger to mock the left
      - afarrell 5y ago
        > Parent used “sides” before I did My philosophy is that I don’t care who started it. I care how I respond to try to improve things. (Though I myself have a lot to learn as well.)
  - gnzg 5y ago
    my understanding is that the word trigger is used in psychology to describe a wide range of traumatic responses. e.g whenever a war veteran suffering from ptsd hears firework it may trigger a strong traumatic response. //victims of abuse can get "triggered" by the presence or even mention of their abuser etc it applies to a wide range of traumas and responses some of which might be more or less extreme, so it does include some small things: if you ever get a minor burn, the idea of touching a potentially hot surface might make you somewhat uncomfortable - you could call that a triggering experience even though it's not nearly as intense as the other examples. Triggering experiences are generally considered to reinforce trauma and generate unncessary distress and should therefore be avoided And so we use trigger warning before movies etc to warn users of potentially upsetting/triggering content such as war, torture, sexual violence and various forms of abuse, it's really not that big of a deal
watwut 5y ago
I have never seen triggered in relation to self-criticism.
varajelle 5y ago
Do you have any example of answer that is "triggering" today?
pell 5y ago
> How do we, as a society, start accepting rational self-criticism again? You might want to start with taking critique from the people you deem to be "triggered" seriously. That would be a first step in rational self-criticism. Otherwise you're selling a gut reaction as rationality to yourself. This is a common mistake people make. You might end up disagreeing with their critique - that may well be - but even then in most cases you'll likely take something from it, might be able to understand the topic at hand with some further nuance or get a deeper understanding of your position and its merits.

The original is a delight to read. Sadly, I can't help but wonder how many would be "triggered" by the answers today. How do we, as a society, start accepting rational self-criticism again?

johnchristopher 5y ago

> How do we, as a society, start accepting rational self-criticism again? A good starting point would be to stop using the word "trigger" when someone reacts in a way you don't like to something you say. Personally I interpret it as a way to diminish the other side position by suggesting they don't have control over their emotions regarding some subjects. Not a good start.

drglitch 5y ago
Is there a more appropriate word to describe this? Honest question as a non-native English speaker. Seems like this is a commonly used term/usage: https://www.google.com/amp/s/dictionary.cambridge.org/us/amp/english/triggered https://www.google.com/amp/s/dictionary.cambridge.org/us/amp...
- adamjb 5y ago
  "Offended" would be my suggestion. "Triggered" is only really used in this sense as part of bad faith culture war discourse, mocking the idea of trigger warnings.
  - bkirkby 5y ago
    I've heard advocates of trigger warnings share their lived experience by talking about what "triggered" them, using that word specifically.
    - wffurr 5y ago
      There's a big difference between describing one's own experience and labeling others.
    - dogorman 5y ago
      The word is used in the context of PTSD. e.g. "hearing fireworks triggered flashbacks from the war" More generally, a "trigger warning" is a "content advisory warning" by another name.
  - Shorel 5y ago
    I don't think they mock the idea of triggers. They leverage and weaponize the concept, which is arguably worse.
thatguy0900 5y ago
? but trigger was started and used by that side themselves.
- afarrell 5y ago
  I’d advise reading the book “112 Gripes about the French” and then applying that same empathy to the people you dislike in our modern era.
  - thatguy0900 5y ago
    Where did you get I disliked anybody? Parent used "sides" before I did, and it's seems absurd to say the right started trigger to mock the left
    - afarrell 5y ago
      > Parent used “sides” before I did My philosophy is that I don’t care who started it. I care how I respond to try to improve things. (Though I myself have a lot to learn as well.)
- gnzg 5y ago
  my understanding is that the word trigger is used in psychology to describe a wide range of traumatic responses. e.g whenever a war veteran suffering from ptsd hears firework it may trigger a strong traumatic response. //victims of abuse can get "triggered" by the presence or even mention of their abuser etc it applies to a wide range of traumas and responses some of which might be more or less extreme, so it does include some small things: if you ever get a minor burn, the idea of touching a potentially hot surface might make you somewhat uncomfortable - you could call that a triggering experience even though it's not nearly as intense as the other examples. Triggering experiences are generally considered to reinforce trauma and generate unncessary distress and should therefore be avoided And so we use trigger warning before movies etc to warn users of potentially upsetting/triggering content such as war, torture, sexual violence and various forms of abuse, it's really not that big of a deal

watwut 5y ago

I have never seen triggered in relation to self-criticism.

varajelle 5y ago

Do you have any example of answer that is "triggering" today?

pell 5y ago

> How do we, as a society, start accepting rational self-criticism again? You might want to start with taking critique from the people you deem to be "triggered" seriously. That would be a first step in rational self-criticism. Otherwise you're selling a gut reaction as rationality to yourself. This is a common mistake people make. You might end up disagreeing with their critique - that may well be - but even then in most cases you'll likely take something from it, might be able to understand the topic at hand with some further nuance or get a deeper understanding of your position and its merits.