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These engineers are actual ex-Tesla technicians, so it's a bit more than half-assing it.

by STRML 5y ago

lugged 5y ago
Until it isn't. The attitude about this seems reminiscent of that cable snap in Italy recently. https://youtu.be/uCB1xbkn1Ps https://youtu.be/uCB1xbkn1Ps And I'm one that is for right to repair, I just don't think it holds up for the lease scenario, I expect my repairs to be done to manufacturers spec and would be concerned about any mechanic for any make making "half arsed" repairs.
- ashtonkem 5y ago
  There’s a big gulf between “we’re using a common technique that’s regularly used in engines, even though it’s not OEM spec for this specific area” and “we’ve disabled an emergency safety system because it’s not working right”. Trying to equate the two is very disingenuous.
  - lugged 5y ago
    They didn't disable it because it wasn't working right. They disabled it because they thought they knew better and that the cable would never fail in the way they thought it would. Spoiler: it didn't. But: it did in a completely different way they were not aware was possible. I'm sorry you couldn't see the similarity. Obviously it is a less likely to cause ten deaths scenario, but how do you know it won't?
    - ashtonkem 5y ago
      Again, there is a difference between fixing a non-safety critical system in a non-spec but commonly used way, and completely disabling a safety system. If they were disabling this car’s airbags or ABS to solve a different issue, this would be a good comparison. But they’re just not the same at all.
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  If a fitting exposed to road debris being damaged results in the only option being a 16000 repair the OEM should do it for free as penence for their incompetence.
- toomanybeersies 5y ago
  Ever seen how they repair aircraft? To fix panel damage on jet airliners, instead of replacing half the skin, they usually just rivet a patch over the hole. Or in the case of the composite-skinned Boeing 787, they basically glue a patch over it [1]. Sometimes they don't even bother with that, and just tape it up instead [2]. [1] https://www.aviationpros.com/aircraft/commercial-airline/news/11196367/composite-aircraft-repair https://www.aviationpros.com/aircraft/commercial-airline/new... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_tape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_tape

These engineers are actual ex-Tesla technicians, so it's a bit more than half-assing it.

by STRML 5y ago

These engineers are actual ex-Tesla technicians, so it's a bit more than half-assing it.

Until it isn't. The attitude about this seems reminiscent of that cable snap in Italy recently. https://youtu.be/uCB1xbkn1Ps https://youtu.be/uCB1xbkn1Ps And I'm one that is for right to repair, I just don't think it holds up for the lease scenario, I expect my repairs to be done to manufacturers spec and would be concerned about any mechanic for any make making "half arsed" repairs.

ashtonkem 5y ago
There’s a big gulf between “we’re using a common technique that’s regularly used in engines, even though it’s not OEM spec for this specific area” and “we’ve disabled an emergency safety system because it’s not working right”. Trying to equate the two is very disingenuous.
- lugged 5y ago
  They didn't disable it because it wasn't working right. They disabled it because they thought they knew better and that the cable would never fail in the way they thought it would. Spoiler: it didn't. But: it did in a completely different way they were not aware was possible. I'm sorry you couldn't see the similarity. Obviously it is a less likely to cause ten deaths scenario, but how do you know it won't?
  - ashtonkem 5y ago
    Again, there is a difference between fixing a non-safety critical system in a non-spec but commonly used way, and completely disabling a safety system. If they were disabling this car’s airbags or ABS to solve a different issue, this would be a good comparison. But they’re just not the same at all.
michaelmrose 5y ago
If a fitting exposed to road debris being damaged results in the only option being a 16000 repair the OEM should do it for free as penence for their incompetence.
toomanybeersies 5y ago
Ever seen how they repair aircraft? To fix panel damage on jet airliners, instead of replacing half the skin, they usually just rivet a patch over the hole. Or in the case of the composite-skinned Boeing 787, they basically glue a patch over it [1]. Sometimes they don't even bother with that, and just tape it up instead [2]. [1] https://www.aviationpros.com/aircraft/commercial-airline/news/11196367/composite-aircraft-repair https://www.aviationpros.com/aircraft/commercial-airline/new... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_tape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_tape