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wow....$125/user/mo

codetrotter 5y ago
It's the enterprise version. They can afford it. Besides it's not like everyone in the org will be having a seat. Only the people that are doing data science.
- benhurmarcel 5y ago
  I work in a very large enterprise that could definitely benefit from such a product, but at that cost I'm not even going to try mentioning it, it's never going to pass. We have engineers in the thousands so that would be a budget in the millions per year, for a tool for which it's hard to demonstrate the productivity benefit over alternatives. Not going to happen. It's not that the company can't afford it, but enterprises are strict when it comes to spending money. There are lots of processes, checks, and people that sign off.
SkyPuncher 5y ago
This is not unreasonable for data science products.
pininja 5y ago
On-Prem (even in private cloud) solutions like this seem to always be pricier, includes dedicated support too. They have a cheaper $19/m and free tier on https://datalore.jetbrains.com/ https://datalore.jetbrains.com/
xnyan 5y ago
Average dev salary at my org is north of 100k, but I do work in the US so lets say we have a developer earning half that. At $125 a month, it works out to be around 3% of monthly compensation (not including taxes and benefits). This only has to improve productivity by a tiny amount to be worth it.
- Sr_developer 5y ago
  That is not how it works, having a water cooler in the office increase the productivity 100x vs not having water, that does not mean you should pay millions for one. That is a myth invented by SAAS vendors and consultants to justify their sky-high price. The value offered of course factors in the price but many other factors too (scarcity of materials and resource to produce the good,cost of production, maintenance cost, cost of the products of your competitors, risk of vendor lock-in, etc)
  - thrower123 5y ago
    Keurig cups cost more per dev per day than JetBrains tools do...
    - stirfish 5y ago
      Get your devs a French press
  - ChrisLomont 5y ago
    >That is not how it works, Plenty of places pay X for tools that add more than X in productivity value. In fact, nearly every tool I have ever gotten at a company worked like this. Most of them are also willing to test pricey tools to see if they would pay off, and when they do, the company starts buying such tools. If you don't work at such a place, look for a place that values developer time.
    - Sr_developer 5y ago
      I worked for a Fortune 20 company so you can stop the patronizing tone. A paper and a pencil also increases productivity by a lot ( perhaps more than any tool) that does not mean you need to pay 5% of your developer salary by month for them.
      - shock-value 5y ago
        But, you likely would pay 5% of salary (or more) for a paper and pencil (to continue with your analogy) if you had no other choice and there was no alternative tool that could substitute. So I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

wow....$125/user/mo

It's the enterprise version. They can afford it. Besides it's not like everyone in the org will be having a seat. Only the people that are doing data science.

benhurmarcel 5y ago
I work in a very large enterprise that could definitely benefit from such a product, but at that cost I'm not even going to try mentioning it, it's never going to pass. We have engineers in the thousands so that would be a budget in the millions per year, for a tool for which it's hard to demonstrate the productivity benefit over alternatives. Not going to happen. It's not that the company can't afford it, but enterprises are strict when it comes to spending money. There are lots of processes, checks, and people that sign off.

SkyPuncher 5y ago

This is not unreasonable for data science products.

pininja 5y ago

On-Prem (even in private cloud) solutions like this seem to always be pricier, includes dedicated support too. They have a cheaper $19/m and free tier on https://datalore.jetbrains.com/ https://datalore.jetbrains.com/

xnyan 5y ago

Average dev salary at my org is north of 100k, but I do work in the US so lets say we have a developer earning half that. At $125 a month, it works out to be around 3% of monthly compensation (not including taxes and benefits). This only has to improve productivity by a tiny amount to be worth it.

Sr_developer 5y ago
That is not how it works, having a water cooler in the office increase the productivity 100x vs not having water, that does not mean you should pay millions for one. That is a myth invented by SAAS vendors and consultants to justify their sky-high price. The value offered of course factors in the price but many other factors too (scarcity of materials and resource to produce the good,cost of production, maintenance cost, cost of the products of your competitors, risk of vendor lock-in, etc)
- thrower123 5y ago
  Keurig cups cost more per dev per day than JetBrains tools do...
  - stirfish 5y ago
    Get your devs a French press
- ChrisLomont 5y ago
  >That is not how it works, Plenty of places pay X for tools that add more than X in productivity value. In fact, nearly every tool I have ever gotten at a company worked like this. Most of them are also willing to test pricey tools to see if they would pay off, and when they do, the company starts buying such tools. If you don't work at such a place, look for a place that values developer time.
  - Sr_developer 5y ago
    I worked for a Fortune 20 company so you can stop the patronizing tone. A paper and a pencil also increases productivity by a lot ( perhaps more than any tool) that does not mean you need to pay 5% of your developer salary by month for them.
    - shock-value 5y ago
      But, you likely would pay 5% of salary (or more) for a paper and pencil (to continue with your analogy) if you had no other choice and there was no alternative tool that could substitute. So I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.