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I don’t think there such a thing as objective journalism—- there is only who is honest about the lens from which they view the world. For instance, CNN is left
by kyle_martin1 5y ago
I don’t think there such a thing as objective journalism—- there is only who is honest about the lens from which they view the world.
For instance, CNN is left leaning and Fox is right leaning. They should just explicitly state their viewpoint so viewers can calibrate how much credence they give to unsourced claims and see past the political posturing.
- _gtly 5y agoYou might want to check out allsides.com [1] which gives a rating for where media sources lie on a left-right spectrum 1. https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings
- xadhominemx 5y agoThat’s an absurd chart. They put politico as left and cnn as far left (equivalent to Breitbart). Come on.
- Wolfenstein98k 5y agoThey distinguish between news and opinion, but CNN is definitely left. I'd call them the equal opposite to Fox.
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- xadhominemx 5y agoYou’re not American and don’t live in the US. You’re perspective is limited and your opinion is wrong.
- ctrlp 5y agoCorrect, these ratings make no sense. CNN should rightly have been labelled as Deep State Media.
- eplanit 5y agoInteresting...but NPR is misplaced. It definitely is Left, to at times Far Left.
- dagw 5y agoIt definitely is Left, to at times Far Left. While I agree that NPR puts out a lot content that can be described as 'lefty', NPR News feels pretty straight down the middle.
- rhino369 5y agoIt feels pretty far left to me. It’s not as nakedly partisan. But it covers almost exclusively left issues.
- ctrlp 5y agoI keep seeing allsides.com recommended here but I don't get why people find it valuable. First, it locates things like NPR and BBC news services in the "Center" (whatever that is). I had radical leftist professors that would be to the right of today's NPR. Second, the left->center<-right spectrum is becoming less and less relevant to today's media/political industrial complex. A relevant question for any media outlet re "trust", imho, is of partisanship rather than political preferences. The major media outlets are extremely partisan today and will generally not report outside of their affiliated party's talking points. The DNC/RNC control the Overton window. The distinction between outlets like NPR or Fox and Jacobin or American Conservative is on a Partisan<->Politics spectrum. The other important factor is that the Media is the cultural arm of the Professional-Managerial elite and represents that class's interests. Most on HN are also in that class and can't see past their ideological blinders. Personally, I find the https://realclearpolitics.com https://realclearpolitics.com model of just putting headlines from different outlets in a list to be more useful than outsourcing some sort of "bias rating" and "fact-checking" to YAMO (Yet Another Media Outlet).
- Spellman 5y agoUnfortunately RCP has taken to being quite partisan on it's own as well
- tptacek 5y agoIt's not valuable. One of the things it does is chart "opinion" sources alongside "news" sources, so that the reason you see NPR in the center is that they're talking to a small (and poorly defined) subset of NPR. You see the same thing with NYT "opinion" (allegedly equivalent to Jacobin!) vs. NYT "news" (allegedly equivalently partisan to the Epoch Times!). I think the real subtext of this chart isn't so much to portray any particular outlet further to the left or right than it is, but rather to boost the credibility of fringe outlets.
- jcranmer 5y ago... They consider The Economist leftist? Note that The Economist is extremely open about supporting neoliberal economics, being generally anti-tax and anti-regulation. The only way you'd call it left is if you ignored its voluminous discussion of finance, business, and economics and instead observe that it's generally uninterested in prosecuting any culture wars.
- Spellman 5y agoPersonally prefer the Media Bias Chart from ad fontes. Has the helpful axis on who seems to intentionally leave things out. https://www.adfontesmedia.com/ https://www.adfontesmedia.com/ That being said, I do appreciate that allsides uses an interesting method to blind bias surveys to help categorize. But sometimes things don't always line up.
- dexterdog 5y agoIt gives a rating for where the average voter on the site thinks the sources lie.
- kyle_martin1 5y agoHow do I know the site owner’s own biases? They’re defining their own spectrum which is inherently biased.
- raxxorrax 5y agoObjective journalism doesn't claim to be perfect, but the attempt would clearly build trust. I see it differently, subjective opinions aren't journalism.
- haberman 5y agoThis is like the statement: “all models are wrong, but some are useful.” It is a true statement, but it doesn’t mean that all models are equally wrong, or that all journalism is equally biased. Objective journalism is an ideal to strive for, even it if cannot be perfectly achieved.
- mywittyname 5y ago> For instance, CNN is left leaning and Fox is right leaning. One of these "news" outlets is know for allowing people to repeat baseless, fabricated lies on their station on a daily basis. And when they aren't fabricating lies, their journalists write in such a way to deliberately confuse and mislead their audience. I say this as an avid reader of Fox News. They straight up lie or mislead constantly. Even their mundane reports are chosen to incite their audience. They once reported on the "Best BBQ places in the US." Weird choice for a national news network right? Well reading through the comments section and people were going berserk because some of the restaurants were not located in the South. Anyone equating Fox News with any other news outlet is doing America a huge disservice. The place is straight up nothing more than an 1984-esque, pro-authoritarian brainwashing device.