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Long game is a few superstar teachers teach kids online and their parents and neighbors / community teach them social etiquette

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mythrwy 5y ago
There's a lot to be desired in schools (In the US at least and I assume Canada) but one thing schools do do is bring people from many different backgrounds together for long periods of time. That in and of itself is educational for the world students will eventually enter. It creates some level of shared experience and social cohesion and underlying social reality. It's not done very well admittedly with a lot of time wasting and poor education and lowest denominator and propaganda flavor of the decade, but the principal still applies. The thing I'm afraid of with parent and neighbors doing the socializing exclusively is reality bubbles and a fracturing of shared culture.
- thaumasiotes 5y ago
  Reality bubbles are very much here already. For example, there was a fun study showing that Ivy League students who graduated from a public high school had markedly lower opinions of the ability of an average person than did Ivy League students who graduated from a private high school.
- voisin 5y ago
  > one thing schools do do is bring people from many different backgrounds together for long periods of time. As our communities become less diverse, our schools follow. At least in Canada from my experience having lived all over the place. For example, a White suburb leads to white schools, and the house value of the suburb is always roughly the same so the socioeconomic status of the students is pretty close. There’s no bussing kids from different areas around to achieve diversity targets.
watwut 5y ago
Teachers dont scale.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  One teacher broadcasting to thousands does scale. The best course material being taught to all does scale. Teachers assistants working with small 5-6 person groups scales better than 1 to 30.
  - murkle 5y ago
    I would argue that "broadcasting" is lecturing not teaching though so the original point about not scaling stands
    - ipaddr 5y ago
      My teachers stood up and explained a topic. We read further, did homework and were marked on tests and projects. There may be a period after the lecture where we could try to get help. Perhaps going after class might get you extra help but most teachers seemed to be involved in coaching after class. Where does teaching come in? The lecture or the help after?
      - watwut 5y ago
        We had much more back and forth, discussion and such. And teacher would know you personally somewhat and would communicate with you personally when ypi had trouble. The class was giving feedback to teachers, verbal and non verbal.
        ipaddr 5y ago
        The verbal feedback needed because teachers had to wing it like a standup comedian wouldn't be necessary because each lesson would have been vetted and choosen as the best material. Having to slowdown the entire class because you need help helps you but not a percentage of the class. Going quicker for you hurts a different segment. The answer is personalized education.

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mythrwy 5y ago

There's a lot to be desired in schools (In the US at least and I assume Canada) but one thing schools do do is bring people from many different backgrounds together for long periods of time. That in and of itself is educational for the world students will eventually enter. It creates some level of shared experience and social cohesion and underlying social reality. It's not done very well admittedly with a lot of time wasting and poor education and lowest denominator and propaganda flavor of the decade, but the principal still applies. The thing I'm afraid of with parent and neighbors doing the socializing exclusively is reality bubbles and a fracturing of shared culture.

thaumasiotes 5y ago
Reality bubbles are very much here already. For example, there was a fun study showing that Ivy League students who graduated from a public high school had markedly lower opinions of the ability of an average person than did Ivy League students who graduated from a private high school.
voisin 5y ago
> one thing schools do do is bring people from many different backgrounds together for long periods of time. As our communities become less diverse, our schools follow. At least in Canada from my experience having lived all over the place. For example, a White suburb leads to white schools, and the house value of the suburb is always roughly the same so the socioeconomic status of the students is pretty close. There’s no bussing kids from different areas around to achieve diversity targets.

watwut 5y ago

Teachers dont scale.

ipaddr 5y ago
One teacher broadcasting to thousands does scale. The best course material being taught to all does scale. Teachers assistants working with small 5-6 person groups scales better than 1 to 30.
- murkle 5y ago
  I would argue that "broadcasting" is lecturing not teaching though so the original point about not scaling stands
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    My teachers stood up and explained a topic. We read further, did homework and were marked on tests and projects. There may be a period after the lecture where we could try to get help. Perhaps going after class might get you extra help but most teachers seemed to be involved in coaching after class. Where does teaching come in? The lecture or the help after?
    - watwut 5y ago
      We had much more back and forth, discussion and such. And teacher would know you personally somewhat and would communicate with you personally when ypi had trouble. The class was giving feedback to teachers, verbal and non verbal.
      - ipaddr 5y ago
        The verbal feedback needed because teachers had to wing it like a standup comedian wouldn't be necessary because each lesson would have been vetted and choosen as the best material. Having to slowdown the entire class because you need help helps you but not a percentage of the class. Going quicker for you hurts a different segment. The answer is personalized education.