7 ms·

Decentralized data storage has finally landed

38 points by alessandroetc 5y ago

chovybizzass 5y ago
I just want a replacement for iCloud or Dropbox that works on every device as easy as those two services that is e2e encrypted and stored in a distributed database with safe redunancy.
fumblebee 5y ago
Can someone eli5 the difference between storj and filecoin? And explain why filecoin has a market cap multiple times that of storj?
- willio58 5y ago
  From what I’ve read, it’s really a matter of branding and marketing that’s resulted in filecoin having a larger market cap.
hifly 5y ago
so I'm guessing that syncthing (with you running your own repeater/server node), doesn't meet your requirement. why not? (for me it's the lack of one way sync, ignoring deletes, and no partial directory sync)
deleted 5y ago
[deleted]
Jemm 5y ago
"Once your Node is verified after a vetting period, you’ll start being compensated for the storage and bandwidth you provide. Every month you meet the requirements, you’ll be paid in STORJ Token." I'd rather be paid in money
- Datagenerator 5y ago
  What is money?
  - meepmorp 5y ago
    It's like bitcoin that doesn't go up.
    - capableweb 5y ago
      Money definitely goes up, it also goes down. What's important is what you compare it to. The USD has been going down for a long time, compared to EUR for example.
      - nonameiguess 5y ago
        Bad memory? The first ever EURUSD exchange rate was 1.2034 in December of 2003. Today's rate is 1.2042. It has most certainly not been going down for a long time.
        nihonde 5y ago
        Now do BTCEUR and BTCUSD.
        nonameiguess 5y ago
        They're not paying in BTC. Here is all-time STORJUSD: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/storj/ https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/storj/ Looks like no pattern at all except occasional extreme spikes followed by crashes back to where it was before.
        capableweb 5y ago
        No, but I think I forgot to qualify what time range means "a long time" for me, something like the last 5 years. Anyway, it's besides the point, the point is that "money" besides cryptocurrencies also changes value over time.
        nonameiguess 5y ago
        The last five years is regression to the mean after the EURO tanked in 2015 due to Greece defaulting on its sovereign debt.
abcd_f 5y ago
Finally! Just few years after Wuala closed down. /s
someonehere 5y ago
Does anyone know the difference between this and TahoLAFS? Almost sounds the same. https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs
- alessandroetc 5y ago
  Storj is going to be a lot more tried and battle tested than TahoLAFS. If you need to reliable store files under a strong encryption, I'd use storj.
- jtolds 5y ago
  CTO here! We took a lot of inspiration on our latest design from Tahoe LAFS. Big fans. Main difference as I see it is Tahoe isn't as focused on producing a full storage ecosystem (storage node operators, etc), but we do share lots of similar points technically! Encryption, Reed Solomon, etc. Zooko's zfec Reed Solomon library influenced our usage of Reed Solomon for sure.
prepend 5y ago
I ran some storj nodes a few years ago but gave up because the ratio of what I needed to share to the amount I could store was too poor. I see their pricing [0] has improved but does anyone have a good comparison of the true costs of various storage systems? I feel like I’m dealing with comparing Roblox to hearthstone gems when trying to figure out the cost of S3 vs Storj vs Filecoin vs whatever. It seems like there should be some p2p system where I can share 100GB on my storage array in return for 10GB that’s reliable enough that it will always be there if my house burns down. Currently I use S3 Glacier because S3 is too expensive. [0] https://www.storj.io/pricing https://www.storj.io/pricing
- alessandroetc 5y ago
  If you want something that you can just plug into and leave alone, I'd just use Storj. It's priced the cheapest and their tech is the best thus far. I will say that it's built for developers so expect needing to spend some time to set everything up.
  - prepend 5y ago
    Thanks, that’s helpful. I’m looking for something that does this analysis that I can follow. When I did the math a few years ago Storj wasn’t the cheapest, so I want a good way to confirm that if storj is best now, what’s best in a year, etc.
    - coolspot 5y ago
      OP is affiliated, though.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- jasonkimtech 5y ago
  We built a service that tells you the exact cost/performance differences between different object storage systems [backblaze, storj, wasabi, s3, etc]. All you need is an AWS cost and usage report and we can tell you the tradeoffs including egress fees and everything. Would be more than happy to help you out with this. https://taloflow.ai https://taloflow.ai
micouay 5y ago
What's the difference between that and Diode? https://diode.io/ https://diode.io/
- gruez 5y ago
  Considering that their pricing page doesn't mention any storage prices, I'm guessing it's some sort of self-hosted cloud solution, rather than storj which is closer to something like s3.
gruez 5y ago
Their pricing is only slightly cheaper than backblaze b2. For storage they charge $4/TB/month whereas b2 charges $5/TB/month, and for egress they charge $7/TB whereas b2 charges $10/TB. Personally I don't think the risks (eg. your cost going up because crypto price skyrocket, or you losing your data because of a crypto winter) are worth the savings. Not to mention there are much cheaper solutions than the two I mentioned, like deep glacier that only charges $1/TB for storage, or office365 that provides 6x1TB storage for $100/year.
- alessandroetc 5y ago
  Costs shouldn't rise or fall based on the price of the coin. You can pay directly in USD for the storage so that you don't have to worry about the pricing shifts.
  - gruez 5y ago
    Sure, you pay in USD, but the network accepts payments in sia/storj coins. What happens if the price of the coin goes to the moon? Is the service provider (storj.io) going to eat the cost?
    - jtolds 5y ago
      CTO here! There's no cost to eat. We determine the amount of STORJ to transfer given a storage node operator's USD-valued accruals at the time of transfer. All of the book keeping is USD-denominated.
      - gruez 5y ago
        >We determine the amount of STORJ to transfer given a storage node operator's USD-valued accruals at the time of transfer. So you have agreements with storage node operators to provide storage space to you at fixed costs (denominated in USD)? Or are you paying whatever the market rate is for storage, and hoping that it won't go above $4/TB?
        5y ago

38 points by alessandroetc 5y ago

I just want a replacement for iCloud or Dropbox that works on every device as easy as those two services that is e2e encrypted and stored in a distributed database with safe redunancy.

fumblebee 5y ago

Can someone eli5 the difference between storj and filecoin? And explain why filecoin has a market cap multiple times that of storj?

willio58 5y ago
From what I’ve read, it’s really a matter of branding and marketing that’s resulted in filecoin having a larger market cap.

hifly 5y ago

so I'm guessing that syncthing (with you running your own repeater/server node), doesn't meet your requirement. why not? (for me it's the lack of one way sync, ignoring deletes, and no partial directory sync)

deleted 5y ago

[deleted]

Jemm 5y ago

"Once your Node is verified after a vetting period, you’ll start being compensated for the storage and bandwidth you provide. Every month you meet the requirements, you’ll be paid in STORJ Token." I'd rather be paid in money

Datagenerator 5y ago
What is money?
- meepmorp 5y ago
  It's like bitcoin that doesn't go up.
  - capableweb 5y ago
    Money definitely goes up, it also goes down. What's important is what you compare it to. The USD has been going down for a long time, compared to EUR for example.
    - nonameiguess 5y ago
      Bad memory? The first ever EURUSD exchange rate was 1.2034 in December of 2003. Today's rate is 1.2042. It has most certainly not been going down for a long time.
      - nihonde 5y ago
        Now do BTCEUR and BTCUSD.
        nonameiguess 5y ago
        They're not paying in BTC. Here is all-time STORJUSD: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/storj/ https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/storj/ Looks like no pattern at all except occasional extreme spikes followed by crashes back to where it was before.
      - capableweb 5y ago
        No, but I think I forgot to qualify what time range means "a long time" for me, something like the last 5 years. Anyway, it's besides the point, the point is that "money" besides cryptocurrencies also changes value over time.
        nonameiguess 5y ago
        The last five years is regression to the mean after the EURO tanked in 2015 due to Greece defaulting on its sovereign debt.

abcd_f 5y ago

Finally! Just few years after Wuala closed down. /s

someonehere 5y ago

Does anyone know the difference between this and TahoLAFS? Almost sounds the same. https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs

alessandroetc 5y ago
Storj is going to be a lot more tried and battle tested than TahoLAFS. If you need to reliable store files under a strong encryption, I'd use storj.
jtolds 5y ago
CTO here! We took a lot of inspiration on our latest design from Tahoe LAFS. Big fans. Main difference as I see it is Tahoe isn't as focused on producing a full storage ecosystem (storage node operators, etc), but we do share lots of similar points technically! Encryption, Reed Solomon, etc. Zooko's zfec Reed Solomon library influenced our usage of Reed Solomon for sure.

prepend 5y ago

I ran some storj nodes a few years ago but gave up because the ratio of what I needed to share to the amount I could store was too poor. I see their pricing [0] has improved but does anyone have a good comparison of the true costs of various storage systems? I feel like I’m dealing with comparing Roblox to hearthstone gems when trying to figure out the cost of S3 vs Storj vs Filecoin vs whatever. It seems like there should be some p2p system where I can share 100GB on my storage array in return for 10GB that’s reliable enough that it will always be there if my house burns down. Currently I use S3 Glacier because S3 is too expensive. [0] https://www.storj.io/pricing https://www.storj.io/pricing

alessandroetc 5y ago
If you want something that you can just plug into and leave alone, I'd just use Storj. It's priced the cheapest and their tech is the best thus far. I will say that it's built for developers so expect needing to spend some time to set everything up.
- prepend 5y ago
  Thanks, that’s helpful. I’m looking for something that does this analysis that I can follow. When I did the math a few years ago Storj wasn’t the cheapest, so I want a good way to confirm that if storj is best now, what’s best in a year, etc.
  - coolspot 5y ago
    OP is affiliated, though.
deleted 5y ago
[deleted]
jasonkimtech 5y ago
We built a service that tells you the exact cost/performance differences between different object storage systems [backblaze, storj, wasabi, s3, etc]. All you need is an AWS cost and usage report and we can tell you the tradeoffs including egress fees and everything. Would be more than happy to help you out with this. https://taloflow.ai https://taloflow.ai

micouay 5y ago

What's the difference between that and Diode? https://diode.io/ https://diode.io/

gruez 5y ago
Considering that their pricing page doesn't mention any storage prices, I'm guessing it's some sort of self-hosted cloud solution, rather than storj which is closer to something like s3.

gruez 5y ago

Their pricing is only slightly cheaper than backblaze b2. For storage they charge $4/TB/month whereas b2 charges $5/TB/month, and for egress they charge $7/TB whereas b2 charges $10/TB. Personally I don't think the risks (eg. your cost going up because crypto price skyrocket, or you losing your data because of a crypto winter) are worth the savings. Not to mention there are much cheaper solutions than the two I mentioned, like deep glacier that only charges $1/TB for storage, or office365 that provides 6x1TB storage for $100/year.

alessandroetc 5y ago
Costs shouldn't rise or fall based on the price of the coin. You can pay directly in USD for the storage so that you don't have to worry about the pricing shifts.
- gruez 5y ago
  Sure, you pay in USD, but the network accepts payments in sia/storj coins. What happens if the price of the coin goes to the moon? Is the service provider (storj.io) going to eat the cost?
  - jtolds 5y ago
    CTO here! There's no cost to eat. We determine the amount of STORJ to transfer given a storage node operator's USD-valued accruals at the time of transfer. All of the book keeping is USD-denominated.
    - gruez 5y ago
      >We determine the amount of STORJ to transfer given a storage node operator's USD-valued accruals at the time of transfer. So you have agreements with storage node operators to provide storage space to you at fixed costs (denominated in USD)? Or are you paying whatever the market rate is for storage, and hoping that it won't go above $4/TB?
      - 5y ago