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It doesn't, really. Hibernation and even the levels of "sleep" mode have and still have issues in Windows. I have a brand new Dell Precision workstation that s

by noen 5y ago

It doesn't, really. Hibernation and even the levels of "sleep" mode have and still have issues in Windows. I have a brand new Dell Precision workstation that still can't properly come back from sleep mode every time.

philliphaydon 5y ago
I haven’t had any issues with hibernating or sleep on windows with any device I’ve owned. But damn the number of issues I have on linux in 2021 outweighs the amount I’ve had on Windows, ever. Still prefer linux over windows tho.
- vladvasiliu 5y ago
  Heh, as I've posted above, I've had the reverse. All kinds of weird broken behavior on Windows, everything works perfectly on Linux. And those are mostly highly-integrated, full-intel computers. I have a small HP with a thunderbolt / usb-c port. Thunderbolt kinda sorta works. Sometimes. But even if the display goes to sleep, it's game over. I also have a usb-c monitor. I've only ever seen it work one (1) time in windows. On linux it mostly works. Sometimes it doesn't detect the correct refresh rate for some reason. But in the BIOS it always works. I could actually even install Windows with it. And it sometimes gets to the login page. But once the session launches, it turns off.
- salawat 5y ago
  You've never had games that would only start and run without crashing from a clean boot? That's part of where the whole "Have you tried turning it off and back on again?" piece of wisdom comes in. You never know what might have flipped out from under agter a hibernate. When you turn it Off off. You know. Unless...you dual boot linux. I have an Envy 47 something whose wireless still can't get it right. So I just ran an ethernet cable to it. Traced it down to being because Ubuntu wouldn't clean out the hardware registers between hot reboots. It would be fine after a cold shutdown, but once the card got stuck in a bad state, not even a switch to windows could save you. I'd have to pull the plug to get all the registers clear, and start anew. And that was how I learned it's never the hardware until it is.
  - rightbyte 5y ago
    I dual booted Win10 and Ubuntu on my laptop and I could only use the dedicated graphic card in Ubuntu if I turned Windows off with the power unplugged. Maybe that was a symptom of similar properties?
    - selectodude 5y ago
      Windows 10 doesn't completely turn off by default anymore. It closes all the applications and then hibernates the Windows system stuff so doesn't need to re-initialize everything on boot. There's a way to fully shut down but you'd have to look into that.
  - philliphaydon 5y ago
    I've never had that problem. :D But for example, I threw Kubuntu (21.04 beta) on my Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Extreme 3 days ago. I'm already running Ubuntu 20.04 on a different partition and it runs fine. Kubuntu + Wayland, omg, clean install, firefox wont run properly at all, if you change to any other theme the menu bars disappear. Running X11, mad screen tearing and makes the fans spin up like crazy. Wont detect BT so can't use headphones. It's a headache :(
MattGaiser 5y ago
Yep. I have a Surface for work. It just reboots when you tell it to hibernate or even sleep.
bartread 5y ago
Same. Have a Dell XPS for work. Sleep used to work fine, and the machine would barely touch its battery if I put it to sleep over a weekend. It doesn't work any more: the machine never sleeps properly and drains its battery very quickly, barely making it from Friday night to Monday morning (and not making it at all if I don't plug the power in before I plug anything else in). Note that this isn't a fault with the battery that I can see: battery life is still fine when the machine is being used. I can only assume that at some point over the past couple of years an OS or firmware/driver update broke sleep... which is annoying. (It's one of many reasons I prefer OSX to Windows: sleep always works.)
- AzN1337c0d3r 5y ago
  The reason is that Dell replaced S3 sleep with Modern Standby. Modern standby is turning on my XPS so much it can actually get dangerously hot in my backpack.
  - exikyut 5y ago
    "Modern Standby": https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-au/000177661/what-is-modern-standby-and-how-does-it-differ-from-s3-standby https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-au/000177661/what-is-m... Also, snrk: > Symptoms > Microsoft introduced Modern Standby in 2012 to improve battery life and the transition between power states, allowing Windows PCs to transition between on/off states faster, like your smartphone does. It's a knowledgebase article using a standard Support/Resolution template (that might not be changeable). The irony is thoroughly amusing and IMO appropriate.
    - bartread 5y ago
      Thanks. This, and the GP, are helpful. Does naturally lead to the question of why in hell they'd implement this when, from my perspective as a user, it's much MUCH worse than S3 sleep.
      - rzzzt 5y ago
        The Bay Trail Atom-based tablets used this, they behaved really like oversized x86 smartphones. When it works ;), it is quite impressive.
terhechte 5y ago
I have a gaming PC with Windows and Linux. "Sleep" on Windows fails every second time for me (the screen is off but the machine continues to run), whereas on Linux it fails every ~10th time. No idea what the issue is but I have fairly standard hardware. On the other hand, I can't remember the last time sleep didn't work on any of my Macs.
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- the_only_law 5y ago
  I had an odd issue with Windows sleeping on one of my machines a while back. Once the machine went back sleep, I could not get the video signal back. All the other hardware would wake up fine, but I’d have to fully reboot to get video back.
- gsich 5y ago
  Sleep might not be hibernate. If it's just standby some device (Mouse, ethernet ...) might wake it instantly.
- crummel 5y ago
  How long are you giving it for sleep to actually turn off? "Hybrid sleep", which is on by default now, can look like this - the monitor and peripherals will turn off first and then it can take another minute or so while the machine writes out its RAM for the hibernate portion.
whywhywhywhy 5y ago
I have issues on all the Macs I own too, it honestly seemed to work perfectly but about 3 years ago maybe they all became unreliable after some OS update, I want to say maybe High Sierra. Both my 2015 and 2018 MBPs probably once every 2 days, sometimes multiple times in a single day will resume from sleep to a hard reboot and a kernel panic message or "Your computer restarted because of a problem" message. My windows desktop workstation manages just fine, but maybe I won the hardware combination lottery.
rdc12 5y ago
My old T420 couldn't sleep overnight in Windows 7 (something would trigger a resume), but would sleep fine under Linux and FreeBSD.

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philliphaydon 5y ago

I haven’t had any issues with hibernating or sleep on windows with any device I’ve owned. But damn the number of issues I have on linux in 2021 outweighs the amount I’ve had on Windows, ever. Still prefer linux over windows tho.

vladvasiliu 5y ago
Heh, as I've posted above, I've had the reverse. All kinds of weird broken behavior on Windows, everything works perfectly on Linux. And those are mostly highly-integrated, full-intel computers. I have a small HP with a thunderbolt / usb-c port. Thunderbolt kinda sorta works. Sometimes. But even if the display goes to sleep, it's game over. I also have a usb-c monitor. I've only ever seen it work one (1) time in windows. On linux it mostly works. Sometimes it doesn't detect the correct refresh rate for some reason. But in the BIOS it always works. I could actually even install Windows with it. And it sometimes gets to the login page. But once the session launches, it turns off.
salawat 5y ago
You've never had games that would only start and run without crashing from a clean boot? That's part of where the whole "Have you tried turning it off and back on again?" piece of wisdom comes in. You never know what might have flipped out from under agter a hibernate. When you turn it Off off. You know. Unless...you dual boot linux. I have an Envy 47 something whose wireless still can't get it right. So I just ran an ethernet cable to it. Traced it down to being because Ubuntu wouldn't clean out the hardware registers between hot reboots. It would be fine after a cold shutdown, but once the card got stuck in a bad state, not even a switch to windows could save you. I'd have to pull the plug to get all the registers clear, and start anew. And that was how I learned it's never the hardware until it is.
- rightbyte 5y ago
  I dual booted Win10 and Ubuntu on my laptop and I could only use the dedicated graphic card in Ubuntu if I turned Windows off with the power unplugged. Maybe that was a symptom of similar properties?
  - selectodude 5y ago
    Windows 10 doesn't completely turn off by default anymore. It closes all the applications and then hibernates the Windows system stuff so doesn't need to re-initialize everything on boot. There's a way to fully shut down but you'd have to look into that.
- philliphaydon 5y ago
  I've never had that problem. :D But for example, I threw Kubuntu (21.04 beta) on my Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Extreme 3 days ago. I'm already running Ubuntu 20.04 on a different partition and it runs fine. Kubuntu + Wayland, omg, clean install, firefox wont run properly at all, if you change to any other theme the menu bars disappear. Running X11, mad screen tearing and makes the fans spin up like crazy. Wont detect BT so can't use headphones. It's a headache :(

MattGaiser 5y ago

Yep. I have a Surface for work. It just reboots when you tell it to hibernate or even sleep.

bartread 5y ago

Same. Have a Dell XPS for work. Sleep used to work fine, and the machine would barely touch its battery if I put it to sleep over a weekend. It doesn't work any more: the machine never sleeps properly and drains its battery very quickly, barely making it from Friday night to Monday morning (and not making it at all if I don't plug the power in before I plug anything else in). Note that this isn't a fault with the battery that I can see: battery life is still fine when the machine is being used. I can only assume that at some point over the past couple of years an OS or firmware/driver update broke sleep... which is annoying. (It's one of many reasons I prefer OSX to Windows: sleep always works.)

AzN1337c0d3r 5y ago
The reason is that Dell replaced S3 sleep with Modern Standby. Modern standby is turning on my XPS so much it can actually get dangerously hot in my backpack.
- exikyut 5y ago
  "Modern Standby": https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-au/000177661/what-is-modern-standby-and-how-does-it-differ-from-s3-standby https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-au/000177661/what-is-m... Also, snrk: > Symptoms > Microsoft introduced Modern Standby in 2012 to improve battery life and the transition between power states, allowing Windows PCs to transition between on/off states faster, like your smartphone does. It's a knowledgebase article using a standard Support/Resolution template (that might not be changeable). The irony is thoroughly amusing and IMO appropriate.
  - bartread 5y ago
    Thanks. This, and the GP, are helpful. Does naturally lead to the question of why in hell they'd implement this when, from my perspective as a user, it's much MUCH worse than S3 sleep.
    - rzzzt 5y ago
      The Bay Trail Atom-based tablets used this, they behaved really like oversized x86 smartphones. When it works ;), it is quite impressive.

terhechte 5y ago

I have a gaming PC with Windows and Linux. "Sleep" on Windows fails every second time for me (the screen is off but the machine continues to run), whereas on Linux it fails every ~10th time. No idea what the issue is but I have fairly standard hardware. On the other hand, I can't remember the last time sleep didn't work on any of my Macs.

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the_only_law 5y ago
I had an odd issue with Windows sleeping on one of my machines a while back. Once the machine went back sleep, I could not get the video signal back. All the other hardware would wake up fine, but I’d have to fully reboot to get video back.
gsich 5y ago
Sleep might not be hibernate. If it's just standby some device (Mouse, ethernet ...) might wake it instantly.
crummel 5y ago
How long are you giving it for sleep to actually turn off? "Hybrid sleep", which is on by default now, can look like this - the monitor and peripherals will turn off first and then it can take another minute or so while the machine writes out its RAM for the hibernate portion.

whywhywhywhy 5y ago

I have issues on all the Macs I own too, it honestly seemed to work perfectly but about 3 years ago maybe they all became unreliable after some OS update, I want to say maybe High Sierra. Both my 2015 and 2018 MBPs probably once every 2 days, sometimes multiple times in a single day will resume from sleep to a hard reboot and a kernel panic message or "Your computer restarted because of a problem" message. My windows desktop workstation manages just fine, but maybe I won the hardware combination lottery.

rdc12 5y ago

My old T420 couldn't sleep overnight in Windows 7 (something would trigger a resume), but would sleep fine under Linux and FreeBSD.