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I saw a news bit about how breakout ISPs in the UK are selling 100mbps(I believe I might be wrong on the speed) for as low as 6.99 quid. American utility bubble

by philthy 15y ago

I saw a news bit about how breakout ISPs in the UK are selling 100mbps(I believe I might be wrong on the speed) for as low as 6.99 quid. American utility bubble? I think so. At this point I am positive the Verizons and the Comcasts could offer free service to everyone of there existing customers and still make positive returns from just new contracts. Can somebody please tell me exactly what you are paying for with 100Mbps for 199.99? Are they using solid gold equipment? There can't possibly be that much overheard, someone please set me straight.

chopsueyar 15y ago
For 199.99, it has to be the best there is. Why else would it be the most expensive? Maybe they run dedicated coax from the head-end to your home's groundblock? Business Fios sustained 35Mbps up/35Mbps down w/ fixed IP is only $130/month.
- devicenull 15y ago
  I can't tell if you are serious enough.. there's no way Comcast is going to run a dedicated line for you for $200/mo. The only reason I can see for the increased price is it means they can fit less people per node, so they end up needing more.
  - chopsueyar 15y ago
    I was joking. There is no rational explanation. Some people perceive the highest price as being the best. Relevant discussion here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2640685 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2640685
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madmaze 15y ago
I completely agree, when I moved to the US from Germany about 7 years ago, a large majority of the people I got to know were still running dialup. In Germany the years prior to my move, I cannot remember a single person not having at least DSL. Then the next major shock I got was when looking at ISP and Cellphone carrier prices! at the moment I am paying 60$/mo for 12down 2up (in boston). My Brother in a small town in southern Germany gets 2 unlimited phone lines, cable TV and 50down 12up for 40euros/mo so about 60$/mo. Im not sure how this difference in price can be explained, Especially because in boston my internet goes down every few days since all the lines are run overground.
- zwieback 15y ago
  Since you seem to have more up-to-date experience I'll ask this: what are the other fees Germans pay for telecom? Are there other taxes or fees that are payed separately? I moved away from Germany almost 20 years ago but at the time my parents were still paying "Anmeldungsgebuehr" for their TVs/radios, the basic phone service was really cheap but local calls were metered in 8min increments. I believe one of the big problems for the majority of Americans (myself certainly included) is the limbo created by poorly regulated local monopolies - I can choose between Qwest DSL and Comcast, neither are particularly good and both are expensive. There's not enough regulation to create a good minimum service level but there's enough regulation to prevent local players from really growing. One thing I have to say, though, the pictures of the Sonic guys installing fiber look really scary. I could never get away with a crappy wiring job like this at work yet around town you see the worst kind of spaghetti jobs, crooked masts chewed up by woodpeckers, home-made looking junction boxes, etc.
  - kayoone 15y ago
    Telekom wasnt even a private company 20 years ago and they had a monopoly. Today you can choose between lots of ISPs/Telco companies. I get 64/5 Mbit with 2 unlimited phone lines and cable TV for about 50 EUR in a small german city. No one i know still has metered calls in germany. Prices fell and speeds have risen dramatically in the last 5-6 years.
- pbreit 15y ago
  I don't think making these types of cross-country comparisons is all tha helpful. Do people know, for example, that in Germany it is illegal for most stores to be open on Sunday? Things work differently in different countries. We get it.
  - mikecane 15y ago
    It used to be illegal here in the States too, within my lifetime. We had Blue Laws. And I think such comparisons are valid because it highlights a huge hole in the vision of American leadership -- both political and corporate.
rimantas 15y ago
I've got 100Mbps fiber for less than $20. There is better plan: 300Mbps for $32. On the other hand my country is the leader in fiber-to-the-home. Benefits of being small.
kierank 15y ago
I saw a news bit about how breakout ISPs in the UK are selling 100mbps(I believe I might be wrong on the speed) for as low as 6.99 quid. If only.
orijing 15y ago
Here's the sad part (unless you bought into their shares early): You're paying for their dividends (i.e. payouts to shareholders). It's their fiduciary duty. However, companies like them need to realize that there are more stakeholders (like the community) than just shareholders.
richcollins 15y ago
It's not a bubble if you have laws passed in your favor that prevent competition.

by philthy 15y ago

chopsueyar 15y ago

For 199.99, it has to be the best there is. Why else would it be the most expensive? Maybe they run dedicated coax from the head-end to your home's groundblock? Business Fios sustained 35Mbps up/35Mbps down w/ fixed IP is only $130/month.

devicenull 15y ago
I can't tell if you are serious enough.. there's no way Comcast is going to run a dedicated line for you for $200/mo. The only reason I can see for the increased price is it means they can fit less people per node, so they end up needing more.
- chopsueyar 15y ago
  I was joking. There is no rational explanation. Some people perceive the highest price as being the best. Relevant discussion here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2640685 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2640685
- deleted 15y ago
  [deleted]

madmaze 15y ago

I completely agree, when I moved to the US from Germany about 7 years ago, a large majority of the people I got to know were still running dialup. In Germany the years prior to my move, I cannot remember a single person not having at least DSL. Then the next major shock I got was when looking at ISP and Cellphone carrier prices! at the moment I am paying 60$/mo for 12down 2up (in boston). My Brother in a small town in southern Germany gets 2 unlimited phone lines, cable TV and 50down 12up for 40euros/mo so about 60$/mo. Im not sure how this difference in price can be explained, Especially because in boston my internet goes down every few days since all the lines are run overground.

zwieback 15y ago
Since you seem to have more up-to-date experience I'll ask this: what are the other fees Germans pay for telecom? Are there other taxes or fees that are payed separately? I moved away from Germany almost 20 years ago but at the time my parents were still paying "Anmeldungsgebuehr" for their TVs/radios, the basic phone service was really cheap but local calls were metered in 8min increments. I believe one of the big problems for the majority of Americans (myself certainly included) is the limbo created by poorly regulated local monopolies - I can choose between Qwest DSL and Comcast, neither are particularly good and both are expensive. There's not enough regulation to create a good minimum service level but there's enough regulation to prevent local players from really growing. One thing I have to say, though, the pictures of the Sonic guys installing fiber look really scary. I could never get away with a crappy wiring job like this at work yet around town you see the worst kind of spaghetti jobs, crooked masts chewed up by woodpeckers, home-made looking junction boxes, etc.
- kayoone 15y ago
  Telekom wasnt even a private company 20 years ago and they had a monopoly. Today you can choose between lots of ISPs/Telco companies. I get 64/5 Mbit with 2 unlimited phone lines and cable TV for about 50 EUR in a small german city. No one i know still has metered calls in germany. Prices fell and speeds have risen dramatically in the last 5-6 years.
pbreit 15y ago
I don't think making these types of cross-country comparisons is all tha helpful. Do people know, for example, that in Germany it is illegal for most stores to be open on Sunday? Things work differently in different countries. We get it.
- mikecane 15y ago
  It used to be illegal here in the States too, within my lifetime. We had Blue Laws. And I think such comparisons are valid because it highlights a huge hole in the vision of American leadership -- both political and corporate.

rimantas 15y ago

I've got 100Mbps fiber for less than $20. There is better plan: 300Mbps for $32. On the other hand my country is the leader in fiber-to-the-home. Benefits of being small.

kierank 15y ago

I saw a news bit about how breakout ISPs in the UK are selling 100mbps(I believe I might be wrong on the speed) for as low as 6.99 quid. If only.

orijing 15y ago

Here's the sad part (unless you bought into their shares early): You're paying for their dividends (i.e. payouts to shareholders). It's their fiduciary duty. However, companies like them need to realize that there are more stakeholders (like the community) than just shareholders.

richcollins 15y ago

It's not a bubble if you have laws passed in your favor that prevent competition.