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We’ve got billions of people who need to feel sufficient confidence in the media and authorities to take vaccines nobody has used before at a time when every me

We’ve got billions of people who need to feel sufficient confidence in the media and authorities to take vaccines nobody has used before at a time when every media outlet has some agenda to monkey around with what we know to be true. Not cool.

recursive 6y ago
People have taken them before. There were tests. A relative of mine was in one. Furthermore, the media doesn't certify which vaccines are safe. There are various governmental agencies in different countries for that.
- Nbox9 6y ago
  > Furthermore, the media doesn't certify which vaccines are safe. The media plays a critical role in encouraging people to get a vaccine.
  - recursive 6y ago
    I would be very surprised if any reputable media was telling anyone a vaccine that wasn't certified.
- buffaloo 6y ago
  Yeah, “media doesn’t certify the...” I think I’ve heard that before. Some government process does it all according to Hoyle, sure. Sounds familiar.
  - recursive 6y ago
    The card game manufacturer? I have no idea what you're talking about.
    - tux1968 6y ago
      "According to Hoyle" is an English idiom. It means that all the rules are followed and everything is fair.
    - mwcremer 6y ago
      Edmund Hoyle wrote a set of rules for the card game whist. His name was used in subsequent collections of rules for all sort of games. "According to Hoyle" has become idiomatic for "according to the rules."
      - recursive 6y ago
        Thank you. I've managed to go forty years without hearing that one. Now that I know the next level meaning, I'm still confused about what is being referenced.
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jessaustin 6y ago
At this point I'm almost convinced that CIA (or perhaps one of its rivals) is running some psy-op on the citizenry. It's as if they'll get a bonus as soon as a million Americans die of covid. (hmmm... maybe we should watch for big spenders later this year...) Everything that comes out of CNN, the social media firms, etc. seems calculated to make most Americans less likely to submit to vaccination. I say this while wearing masks in public religiously, having already received the second dose of Pfizer. Covid really is killing people, and will continue to kill more and more as time goes on. We won't see "herd immunity" for years if ever.
- SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
  While I agree in some ways... let me ask you, how do you know you are on the “right” side of any mask or Covid or vax debate? You get your news from the same places “the people who are wrong” do. It’s a thought experiment; not an implication.
  - jessaustin 6y ago
    First of all, I don't get my news from those places. It has taken over a decade, but after flipping the bozo bit on dozens of news media firms, I feel I am a bit closer to having some idea of what's going on. If all you have is e.g. NBC News, then assuming that all the "wishful thinking" (which at times is over half of the content: "this time we've found a war we can win!") is exactly wrong will get you pretty close. Second, you don't have to read the news to know that people are dying. In vulnerable populations, the increase is impossible to hide, especially since no one has gotten the flu this year. Old physicians and researchers who aren't trying to build their personal brands all agree (and have agreed since February last year) that masks and isolation are the ways to cope with respiratory pandemics. I'm hopeful for the vaccines, but I fear they won't deal well with the mutations that have never been conclusively ruled out. At the very least, vaccines are unlikely to harm people who don't have some sort of weird precondition. Besides which, unlike 99% of USA healthcare, they're free.

recursive 6y ago

People have taken them before. There were tests. A relative of mine was in one. Furthermore, the media doesn't certify which vaccines are safe. There are various governmental agencies in different countries for that.

Nbox9 6y ago
> Furthermore, the media doesn't certify which vaccines are safe. The media plays a critical role in encouraging people to get a vaccine.
- recursive 6y ago
  I would be very surprised if any reputable media was telling anyone a vaccine that wasn't certified.
buffaloo 6y ago
Yeah, “media doesn’t certify the...” I think I’ve heard that before. Some government process does it all according to Hoyle, sure. Sounds familiar.
- recursive 6y ago
  The card game manufacturer? I have no idea what you're talking about.
  - tux1968 6y ago
    "According to Hoyle" is an English idiom. It means that all the rules are followed and everything is fair.
  - mwcremer 6y ago
    Edmund Hoyle wrote a set of rules for the card game whist. His name was used in subsequent collections of rules for all sort of games. "According to Hoyle" has become idiomatic for "according to the rules."
    - recursive 6y ago
      Thank you. I've managed to go forty years without hearing that one. Now that I know the next level meaning, I'm still confused about what is being referenced.

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jessaustin 6y ago

At this point I'm almost convinced that CIA (or perhaps one of its rivals) is running some psy-op on the citizenry. It's as if they'll get a bonus as soon as a million Americans die of covid. (hmmm... maybe we should watch for big spenders later this year...) Everything that comes out of CNN, the social media firms, etc. seems calculated to make most Americans less likely to submit to vaccination. I say this while wearing masks in public religiously, having already received the second dose of Pfizer. Covid really is killing people, and will continue to kill more and more as time goes on. We won't see "herd immunity" for years if ever.

SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
While I agree in some ways... let me ask you, how do you know you are on the “right” side of any mask or Covid or vax debate? You get your news from the same places “the people who are wrong” do. It’s a thought experiment; not an implication.
- jessaustin 6y ago
  First of all, I don't get my news from those places. It has taken over a decade, but after flipping the bozo bit on dozens of news media firms, I feel I am a bit closer to having some idea of what's going on. If all you have is e.g. NBC News, then assuming that all the "wishful thinking" (which at times is over half of the content: "this time we've found a war we can win!") is exactly wrong will get you pretty close. Second, you don't have to read the news to know that people are dying. In vulnerable populations, the increase is impossible to hide, especially since no one has gotten the flu this year. Old physicians and researchers who aren't trying to build their personal brands all agree (and have agreed since February last year) that masks and isolation are the ways to cope with respiratory pandemics. I'm hopeful for the vaccines, but I fear they won't deal well with the mutations that have never been conclusively ruled out. At the very least, vaccines are unlikely to harm people who don't have some sort of weird precondition. Besides which, unlike 99% of USA healthcare, they're free.