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"Impact a company negatively" is your opinion as much as the reversal seems to be the opinion of the parent commentor.

esja 6y ago
It’s not an opinion, it’s basic logic and arithmetic. Shrinking the hiring pool by eliminating both Trump voters and also the non-Trump voters who don’t like the implications of the question. That’s a very large negative and is based on math, not opinion.
- LarvaFX 6y ago
  You are making a quantitative argument for a case that can very well be a qualitative one. Your statement is not sound and it does not follow. Maybe it consider this an opportunity to educate yourself in logic?
  - esja 6y ago
    You're being needlessly patronising, but I'll answer in good faith in case you are actually interested. Ceteris paribus, reducing your hiring pool is a negative. Can qualitative factors counteract that? Sure, it's possible. But there is no evidence for it here, only assertion. And the quantitative problem is very large, so those factors would need to be very powerful. Aside from that, it's naive to believe that the qualitative factors will only work in the positive direction. Whatever is gained from excluding the wrong-thinkers could easily be dwarfed by legal or reputational problems, blowback from boycotts or other "cancellation", inability to address the whole market due to a lack of diverse viewpoints, etc.
    - LarvaFX 6y ago
      So it is a matter of opinion then? Something that needs to be assessed? Where different assessment strategies can produce a different outcome?
      - esja 6y ago
        No. The negative impact is a certainty. Any compensating factors are hypothetical and there’s no evidence for their existence or their impact pro or con. So in this argument, given what we know right now, they can be ignored.
- andrewacove 6y ago
  I'm not sure that I share the assumptions here about the distribution of talent throughout the American voting population, in particular given that the venn diagram of the tech hiring pool and the American voting population is not a circle.
  - esja 6y ago
    Make a list of the distinct demographic categories in your hiring pool, ordered by size. You may be surprised. Depending on location and role, “Trump Voter and offended non-Trump Voter” could easily be second only to “Male non-Trump voter”, i.e. ahead of “Female non-Trump voter”. In many places it would certainly be the largest distinct demographic. That should give you pause. Unless you define “tech hiring pool” as “recent college grads living in the Bay Area”. But even there the numbers are material.

esja 6y ago

It’s not an opinion, it’s basic logic and arithmetic. Shrinking the hiring pool by eliminating both Trump voters and also the non-Trump voters who don’t like the implications of the question. That’s a very large negative and is based on math, not opinion.

LarvaFX 6y ago
You are making a quantitative argument for a case that can very well be a qualitative one. Your statement is not sound and it does not follow. Maybe it consider this an opportunity to educate yourself in logic?
- esja 6y ago
  You're being needlessly patronising, but I'll answer in good faith in case you are actually interested. Ceteris paribus, reducing your hiring pool is a negative. Can qualitative factors counteract that? Sure, it's possible. But there is no evidence for it here, only assertion. And the quantitative problem is very large, so those factors would need to be very powerful. Aside from that, it's naive to believe that the qualitative factors will only work in the positive direction. Whatever is gained from excluding the wrong-thinkers could easily be dwarfed by legal or reputational problems, blowback from boycotts or other "cancellation", inability to address the whole market due to a lack of diverse viewpoints, etc.
  - LarvaFX 6y ago
    So it is a matter of opinion then? Something that needs to be assessed? Where different assessment strategies can produce a different outcome?
    - esja 6y ago
      No. The negative impact is a certainty. Any compensating factors are hypothetical and there’s no evidence for their existence or their impact pro or con. So in this argument, given what we know right now, they can be ignored.
andrewacove 6y ago
I'm not sure that I share the assumptions here about the distribution of talent throughout the American voting population, in particular given that the venn diagram of the tech hiring pool and the American voting population is not a circle.
- esja 6y ago
  Make a list of the distinct demographic categories in your hiring pool, ordered by size. You may be surprised. Depending on location and role, “Trump Voter and offended non-Trump Voter” could easily be second only to “Male non-Trump voter”, i.e. ahead of “Female non-Trump voter”. In many places it would certainly be the largest distinct demographic. That should give you pause. Unless you define “tech hiring pool” as “recent college grads living in the Bay Area”. But even there the numbers are material.