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This is about web hosting companies not wanting to be associated with a site linked to the Capitol insurrection. It has nothing to do with any supposed "cancel

This is about web hosting companies not wanting to be associated with a site linked to the Capitol insurrection. It has nothing to do with any supposed "cancel culture".

centimeter 6y ago
> the Capitol insurrection How dramatic do you have to be to refer to what was essentially a panty raid perpetrated by unarmed geriatrics as as "insurrection"?
- TulliusCicero 6y ago
  Their stated aim was to forcibly overturn the results of a free and fair election, so that their leader, who lost, could remain in power. In what universe is that not an insurrection? It's not like they just protested outside and maybe broke a few windows with rocks or something. They actually broke through the police defense, broke into the building, and went looking for legislators, who had to be evacuated.
  - rasengan 6y ago
    There were some people that did but it wasn’t everyone there. Secondly, the election was conducted using systems that were able to be cheated and lacked verification. Nobody “won” the election. The 13 families simply chose Biden. And to be clear - salute the big dog, President Joe Biden. Still doesn’t change the fact on what happened.
  - centimeter 6y ago
    > Their stated aim Stated by whom? This is the aim imputed to them by low-tier media. > went looking for legislators, who had to be evacuated. There's zero evidence that they intended to do anything to legislators. This was basically a run-of-the-mill polite occupation protest that did substantially less damage of any kind than, say, the average BLM protest.
    - zimpenfish 6y ago
      > There's zero evidence that they intended to do anything to legislators. https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/01/11/capitol-assault-a-more-sinister-attack-than-first-appeared/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/01/11/capitol-assault-a-mor... « “Hang Mike Pence!” the insurrectionists chanted as they pressed inside, beating police with pipes. » I dunno, it certainly sounds like they were interested in doing something to Mike Pence.
      - centimeter 6y ago
        I'm sure one or two idiots out of thousands of people had (or at least expressed) bad intentions. What we're talking about here is the goals of the group.
        invisible 6y ago
        What other intention did they have in pushing up the steps of the capitol and then inside? It’s not like two idiots did that. They were all attending a “Stop the Steal” rally and were told that their country was being stolen from them. They were told Pence must comply. Their goal was to stop the counting of the electoral college votes and cause havoc. They were trying to literally subvert the federal government and our collective voting system.
        centimeter 6y ago
        > What other intention did they have in pushing up the steps of the capitol and then inside? They very obviously didn't have a plan and were just seeing how far they could get. You are imputing too much direction and intelligence to these people. > They were trying to literally subvert the federal government and our collective voting system. The capitol doesn't work like a round of Capture the Flag in Halo; just standing there for a few minutes doesn't give you political power. Even the protestors were smart enough to comprehend this.
        invisible 6y ago
rasengan 6y ago
So these hosting companies will shut down based on a protest that became violent but not CP and you’re saying it’s not cancel culture?
lawnchair_larry 6y ago
Parler wasn’t “linked” to that any more than any other social media company. There’s a lot of misinformation on what Parler was.
- eejit_compiler 6y ago
  What Parler was, was bad for business. It's not a good look for AWS to be hosting websites with violent content linked to the Capitol insurrection, and apparently doing nothing about it. So they pulled the plug.
  - ng12 6y ago
    The elephant in the room is Facebook. There's lots of evidence they were the most directly responsible [1]. Parler wasn't bad for business but scapegoating it was good PR. 1. https://www.salon.com/2021/01/16/despite-parler-backlash-facebook-played-huge-role-in-fueling-capitol-riot-watchdogs-say/ https://www.salon.com/2021/01/16/despite-parler-backlash-fac...
    - TulliusCicero 6y ago
      Facebook quite possibly was more responsible because they're more popular. But they also appear to be a actively fighting the misinformation that these groups spread and thrive on. Whereas Parler is the opposite: they practically celebrate how little they care about undermining democracy with misinformation.
      - mensetmanusman 6y ago
        appearances can be deceiving
      - tartoran 6y ago
        Actually FB let it fester and didn’t do anything about it until recently. Sure, Parler exists to provide this needed freedom of expression to extremists and does not represent what it is but in terms of impact, FB has had a lot more and did nothing about it

This is about web hosting companies not wanting to be associated with a site linked to the Capitol insurrection. It has nothing to do with any supposed "cancel culture".

centimeter 6y ago

> the Capitol insurrection How dramatic do you have to be to refer to what was essentially a panty raid perpetrated by unarmed geriatrics as as "insurrection"?

TulliusCicero 6y ago
Their stated aim was to forcibly overturn the results of a free and fair election, so that their leader, who lost, could remain in power. In what universe is that not an insurrection? It's not like they just protested outside and maybe broke a few windows with rocks or something. They actually broke through the police defense, broke into the building, and went looking for legislators, who had to be evacuated.
- rasengan 6y ago
  There were some people that did but it wasn’t everyone there. Secondly, the election was conducted using systems that were able to be cheated and lacked verification. Nobody “won” the election. The 13 families simply chose Biden. And to be clear - salute the big dog, President Joe Biden. Still doesn’t change the fact on what happened.
- centimeter 6y ago
  > Their stated aim Stated by whom? This is the aim imputed to them by low-tier media. > went looking for legislators, who had to be evacuated. There's zero evidence that they intended to do anything to legislators. This was basically a run-of-the-mill polite occupation protest that did substantially less damage of any kind than, say, the average BLM protest.
  - zimpenfish 6y ago
    > There's zero evidence that they intended to do anything to legislators. https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/01/11/capitol-assault-a-more-sinister-attack-than-first-appeared/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/01/11/capitol-assault-a-mor... « “Hang Mike Pence!” the insurrectionists chanted as they pressed inside, beating police with pipes. » I dunno, it certainly sounds like they were interested in doing something to Mike Pence.
    - centimeter 6y ago
      I'm sure one or two idiots out of thousands of people had (or at least expressed) bad intentions. What we're talking about here is the goals of the group.
      - invisible 6y ago
        What other intention did they have in pushing up the steps of the capitol and then inside? It’s not like two idiots did that. They were all attending a “Stop the Steal” rally and were told that their country was being stolen from them. They were told Pence must comply. Their goal was to stop the counting of the electoral college votes and cause havoc. They were trying to literally subvert the federal government and our collective voting system.
        centimeter 6y ago
        > What other intention did they have in pushing up the steps of the capitol and then inside? They very obviously didn't have a plan and were just seeing how far they could get. You are imputing too much direction and intelligence to these people. > They were trying to literally subvert the federal government and our collective voting system. The capitol doesn't work like a round of Capture the Flag in Halo; just standing there for a few minutes doesn't give you political power. Even the protestors were smart enough to comprehend this.
        invisible 6y ago

rasengan 6y ago

So these hosting companies will shut down based on a protest that became violent but not CP and you’re saying it’s not cancel culture?

lawnchair_larry 6y ago

Parler wasn’t “linked” to that any more than any other social media company. There’s a lot of misinformation on what Parler was.

eejit_compiler 6y ago
What Parler was, was bad for business. It's not a good look for AWS to be hosting websites with violent content linked to the Capitol insurrection, and apparently doing nothing about it. So they pulled the plug.
- ng12 6y ago
  The elephant in the room is Facebook. There's lots of evidence they were the most directly responsible [1]. Parler wasn't bad for business but scapegoating it was good PR. 1. https://www.salon.com/2021/01/16/despite-parler-backlash-facebook-played-huge-role-in-fueling-capitol-riot-watchdogs-say/ https://www.salon.com/2021/01/16/despite-parler-backlash-fac...
  - TulliusCicero 6y ago
    Facebook quite possibly was more responsible because they're more popular. But they also appear to be a actively fighting the misinformation that these groups spread and thrive on. Whereas Parler is the opposite: they practically celebrate how little they care about undermining democracy with misinformation.
    - mensetmanusman 6y ago
      appearances can be deceiving
    - tartoran 6y ago
      Actually FB let it fester and didn’t do anything about it until recently. Sure, Parler exists to provide this needed freedom of expression to extremists and does not represent what it is but in terms of impact, FB has had a lot more and did nothing about it