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It’s mind-blowing to me that a 3-year car is considered aging. Anecdote time: my parents bought a secondhand 93 Toyota Corolla that I inherited and drove until

It’s mind-blowing to me that a 3-year car is considered aging. Anecdote time: my parents bought a secondhand 93 Toyota Corolla that I inherited and drove until 2011. They continued using it until 2018, and got rid of it. It was still running. A few plastic internals had failed and the engine was rough, but still going. It easily had another 5ish years on it.

riffraff 6y ago
I owned a FIAT Punto for 13 years, did 250-300k kilometers with it and only replaced it because I had two kids and baby seats were a pain in the ass on a 3 doors model. Still worked like a charm, and it wasn't a particularly fancy model or brand. I hope GP just used "aging" meaning "not brand new", it would scare me deeply if we started replacing cars the way we do smartphones.
creeble 6y ago
My 2014 Tesla has 345k miles on it. The battery still gets 210 miles. Everything still works - but the eMMC chip is failing.
- ianai 6y ago
  How hard is the eMMC to replace?
- murrayhenson 6y ago
  That's about 49300 miles a year, or about 200 miles a day if you drive five days a week, 50 weeks out of the year. That's a lot of driving. What has pushed you to be driving so much?
  - creeble 6y ago
    They aren't my miles but for ~5k; I bought it used. It was a "perq car" for a wine tour company.
Nition 6y ago
I thought the same thing. The average car here (New Zealand, so not some third world country) is 14 years old.
- perl4ever 6y ago
  Average age of a car in the US is at least over 10 years I think. And probably 15 years before it's scrapped. Most wouldn't be with their original owner though.
gambiting 6y ago
I have a 2004 Land Rover Discovery 3 with 220k miles on it, all of the systems in that car still work, even the ancient screen with all of its functions is still absolutely fine. Teslas seem to be on the same path as smartphones - even if the original hardware doesn't get any slower as such, the experience gets worse and worse and worse with updates, to a point where a car that's less than 10 years old is now uncomfortable to use. It's a tragedy.
- m463 6y ago
  Maybe it just feels that way. I've looked at the old tesla interfaces and the current software updates look modern and have new features.
  - TeMPOraL 6y ago
    That's the problem though: car interfaces shouldn't "look modern", they should provide access to features in a maximally safe and ergonomic way. Tesla seems to be going in the exact opposite direction, mirroring the trend of web and mobile technologies.
    - ryandrake 6y ago
      They should also work predictably and consistently. When I’m in an emergency going 70 miles per hour or stranded by the side of the road at 3AM, I don’t want to have to worry about whether I’m running Car2.0 or Car2.1 where they changed where the hazard light button was.
m463 6y ago
let's see.. toyota has been around 83 years, tesla 17 27/83 = .33 3/17 = .18 Yes, the math checks out. The 2017 model is only 18% of the age of tesla motors, while the corolla was 33% of the age of Toyota.

riffraff 6y ago

I owned a FIAT Punto for 13 years, did 250-300k kilometers with it and only replaced it because I had two kids and baby seats were a pain in the ass on a 3 doors model. Still worked like a charm, and it wasn't a particularly fancy model or brand. I hope GP just used "aging" meaning "not brand new", it would scare me deeply if we started replacing cars the way we do smartphones.

creeble 6y ago

My 2014 Tesla has 345k miles on it. The battery still gets 210 miles. Everything still works - but the eMMC chip is failing.

ianai 6y ago
How hard is the eMMC to replace?
murrayhenson 6y ago
That's about 49300 miles a year, or about 200 miles a day if you drive five days a week, 50 weeks out of the year. That's a lot of driving. What has pushed you to be driving so much?
- creeble 6y ago
  They aren't my miles but for ~5k; I bought it used. It was a "perq car" for a wine tour company.

Nition 6y ago

I thought the same thing. The average car here (New Zealand, so not some third world country) is 14 years old.

perl4ever 6y ago
Average age of a car in the US is at least over 10 years I think. And probably 15 years before it's scrapped. Most wouldn't be with their original owner though.

gambiting 6y ago

I have a 2004 Land Rover Discovery 3 with 220k miles on it, all of the systems in that car still work, even the ancient screen with all of its functions is still absolutely fine. Teslas seem to be on the same path as smartphones - even if the original hardware doesn't get any slower as such, the experience gets worse and worse and worse with updates, to a point where a car that's less than 10 years old is now uncomfortable to use. It's a tragedy.

m463 6y ago
Maybe it just feels that way. I've looked at the old tesla interfaces and the current software updates look modern and have new features.
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  That's the problem though: car interfaces shouldn't "look modern", they should provide access to features in a maximally safe and ergonomic way. Tesla seems to be going in the exact opposite direction, mirroring the trend of web and mobile technologies.
  - ryandrake 6y ago
    They should also work predictably and consistently. When I’m in an emergency going 70 miles per hour or stranded by the side of the road at 3AM, I don’t want to have to worry about whether I’m running Car2.0 or Car2.1 where they changed where the hazard light button was.

m463 6y ago

let's see.. toyota has been around 83 years, tesla 17 27/83 = .33 3/17 = .18 Yes, the math checks out. The 2017 model is only 18% of the age of tesla motors, while the corolla was 33% of the age of Toyota.