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I don't get this take. Your bank, employer, ISP, pretty much any tech company, etc. would also share your data with law enforcement if court ordered.

iknowstuff 6y ago
If you ask around people feel like they have more privacy when using apple products, yet the truth is they all use iCloud backups, iCloud photos and iCloud drive, none of which are E2EE. Meanwhile, Google does allow for E2EE in cloud Android backups! iMessage can be MITM’d by Apple when requested by the government and you, the user, will have no way of verifying your correspondent’s public key (unlike whatsapp, signal, keybase etc).
jiveturkey 6y ago
except apple has the tech to not be able to share it. they use this for some of your data. but intentionally not for icloud. it’s probably nothing to do with USA law enforcement. my reasonable guess is they don’t care much and would go full private. i think the reason here is china. that way they don’t have to have a separate china policy which would draw undue attention to that point.
- iknowstuff 6y ago
  Reuters says it was because of the US as well: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusive/exclusive-apple-dropped-plan-for-encrypting-backups-after-fbi-complained-sources-idUSKBN1ZK1CT https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...
  - jiveturkey 6y ago
    To the degree that's true, my guess is that, just like China, it's to manage public perception. That is, not "because of the US", ie some policy forced upon them.
izacus 6y ago
Of course and that's constantly being brought out as a huge negative when talking about Google, Facebook, Microsoft data storage. It also needs to be clearly said for Apple as well and not just swiped under the rug underneath corporate marketing.
- soupson 6y ago
  Yes, it’s brought out as a negative because those companies are actively using that data to influence your behavior and serve you ads. Apple does not do this.
- reaperducer 6y ago
  Of course and that's constantly being brought out as a huge negative when talking about Google, Facebook, Microsoft data storage No, what is constantly being brought out as a huge negative when talking about Google and Facebook is them using your data and data about you to make money.

iknowstuff 6y ago

If you ask around people feel like they have more privacy when using apple products, yet the truth is they all use iCloud backups, iCloud photos and iCloud drive, none of which are E2EE. Meanwhile, Google does allow for E2EE in cloud Android backups! iMessage can be MITM’d by Apple when requested by the government and you, the user, will have no way of verifying your correspondent’s public key (unlike whatsapp, signal, keybase etc).

jiveturkey 6y ago

except apple has the tech to not be able to share it. they use this for some of your data. but intentionally not for icloud. it’s probably nothing to do with USA law enforcement. my reasonable guess is they don’t care much and would go full private. i think the reason here is china. that way they don’t have to have a separate china policy which would draw undue attention to that point.

iknowstuff 6y ago
Reuters says it was because of the US as well: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusive/exclusive-apple-dropped-plan-for-encrypting-backups-after-fbi-complained-sources-idUSKBN1ZK1CT https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...
- jiveturkey 6y ago
  To the degree that's true, my guess is that, just like China, it's to manage public perception. That is, not "because of the US", ie some policy forced upon them.

izacus 6y ago

Of course and that's constantly being brought out as a huge negative when talking about Google, Facebook, Microsoft data storage. It also needs to be clearly said for Apple as well and not just swiped under the rug underneath corporate marketing.

soupson 6y ago
Yes, it’s brought out as a negative because those companies are actively using that data to influence your behavior and serve you ads. Apple does not do this.
reaperducer 6y ago
Of course and that's constantly being brought out as a huge negative when talking about Google, Facebook, Microsoft data storage No, what is constantly being brought out as a huge negative when talking about Google and Facebook is them using your data and data about you to make money.