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Wow I couldn't have said it better. This is exactly what we're trying to achieve with Typefully, thanks for expressing it so nicely.

e1g 6y ago
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- Shared404 6y ago
  That would be funny, but there is a difference between Twitter and HN. In this case, the author wants to use twitter as a microblog -- the use case it was designed for. If they don't want to read other input on their twitter, why would they? Meanwhile HN is explicitly designed as a community with a focus on curiosity, exploration, and discussion... none of which your comment provides.
  - e1g 6y ago
    Twitter has features to Share, Like, Subscribe, Explore via Hashtags. Twitter does not have a feature to "Edit". I'm unclear how we can look at these core strategic choices and decide it's designed not as a community, but as a blogging engine.
    - Shared404 6y ago
      The point is not that twitter cannot be used as a community, but that it has been a microblogging platform as long as it has existed. In addition, each of the features you listed can be quite useful for discovery in a blogging type situation. For external sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microblogging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microblogging > However, by 2006 and 2007, the term microblog was used more widely for services provided by established sites like Tumblr and Twitter. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Twitter https://www.britannica.com/topic/Twitter > Twitter, online microblogging service for distributing short messages among groups of recipients via personal computer or mobile telephone. Regardless, another client that treats the microblogging side of twitter as it's sole focus is not unreasonable. Much like reddit.com being better suited to memes and images and old.reddit.com is better suited to discussion, different clients can have different focuses, which is a Good Thing.
      - e1g 6y ago
        Twitter, true to its name, is a bunch of little birdies chirping all around one big tree. Mostly noise, worth it for the occasional song. Like most chit-chatter at most parties. I could show up to a party, get on a soapbox, do my monologue, then leave. But I won't make any friends or impact that way, even if these parties is where the audience is. Even the "Stoic & Enlightened" accounts like Naval regularly engage with the birdies around them.
        Shared404 6y ago
        > Mostly noise. Like most chit-chatter at most parties. I could show up to the party, get on a soapbox, do my monologue, then leave. But I won't make any friends or impact that way, even if these parties is where the audience is. Good point. However, making friends/impact is not what everyone wants from twitter. Some people just want a place to put their thoughts out, and don't really care what anyone else is doing. Edit: I'd like to apologize for being overly aggressive in my first comment. That was uncalled for. This chain clearly has started a discussion, for which I thank you.
        e1g 6y ago
        > Some people just want a place to put their thoughts out, and don't really care what anyone else is doing. Not being snarky: this is what personal journals are for. It's difficult for me to reconcile "I want to put my thoughts out, but for as many people as possible to see them, and without caring about impact". At best, it feels like void navel-gazing, and at worst it might be a source of so much thoughtless/marginalizing content on Twitter: because the author did not care what their words will do to the reader. The feedback loop is essential not only for enriching the overall community, but for enriching our own understanding.
        Shared404 6y ago
        > "I want to put my thoughts out, but for as many people as possible to see them, and without caring about impact". I suppose I've interpreted the thought process differently. I see it as "I'm going to put my thoughts out, maybe someone will find it interesting.", with the key difference of not caring about many people see/interact. > at worst it might be a source of so much thoughtless/marginalizing content on Twitter: because the author did not care what their words will do to the reader. Alternately, this could be caused by echo chambers where people scream endless affirmation at you because you said something that lines up with their political views. Neither method of using Twitter is more wrong or more right, just different.
    - JoshTriplett 6y ago
      > Twitter does not have a feature to "Edit". If you don't care at all about others interacting with your tweets, then Twitter has an edit button: delete the tweet and post a new one.
- etxm 6y ago
  When we were texting our tweets to Twitter a decade ago they didn’t respond with 200 random retweets.
- jhunter1016 6y ago
  Hacker News would actually be the opposite if I was going to go single-sided with it. I don’t normally participate in the conversations but I love reading them. This conversation though just happened to touch on something I’ve been experimenting with so I was compelled to comment. That said, give me the read only client for HN (I know this exist already) :)

e1g 6y ago

Unfortunately the author cannot read your thanks, see upvotes, engage in a conversation, or learn from others’ input. They use a write-only client to access this community.

Shared404 6y ago
That would be funny, but there is a difference between Twitter and HN. In this case, the author wants to use twitter as a microblog -- the use case it was designed for. If they don't want to read other input on their twitter, why would they? Meanwhile HN is explicitly designed as a community with a focus on curiosity, exploration, and discussion... none of which your comment provides.
- e1g 6y ago
  Twitter has features to Share, Like, Subscribe, Explore via Hashtags. Twitter does not have a feature to "Edit". I'm unclear how we can look at these core strategic choices and decide it's designed not as a community, but as a blogging engine.
  - Shared404 6y ago
    The point is not that twitter cannot be used as a community, but that it has been a microblogging platform as long as it has existed. In addition, each of the features you listed can be quite useful for discovery in a blogging type situation. For external sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microblogging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microblogging > However, by 2006 and 2007, the term microblog was used more widely for services provided by established sites like Tumblr and Twitter. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Twitter https://www.britannica.com/topic/Twitter > Twitter, online microblogging service for distributing short messages among groups of recipients via personal computer or mobile telephone. Regardless, another client that treats the microblogging side of twitter as it's sole focus is not unreasonable. Much like reddit.com being better suited to memes and images and old.reddit.com is better suited to discussion, different clients can have different focuses, which is a Good Thing.
    - e1g 6y ago
      Twitter, true to its name, is a bunch of little birdies chirping all around one big tree. Mostly noise, worth it for the occasional song. Like most chit-chatter at most parties. I could show up to a party, get on a soapbox, do my monologue, then leave. But I won't make any friends or impact that way, even if these parties is where the audience is. Even the "Stoic & Enlightened" accounts like Naval regularly engage with the birdies around them.
      - Shared404 6y ago
        > Mostly noise. Like most chit-chatter at most parties. I could show up to the party, get on a soapbox, do my monologue, then leave. But I won't make any friends or impact that way, even if these parties is where the audience is. Good point. However, making friends/impact is not what everyone wants from twitter. Some people just want a place to put their thoughts out, and don't really care what anyone else is doing. Edit: I'd like to apologize for being overly aggressive in my first comment. That was uncalled for. This chain clearly has started a discussion, for which I thank you.
        e1g 6y ago
        > Some people just want a place to put their thoughts out, and don't really care what anyone else is doing. Not being snarky: this is what personal journals are for. It's difficult for me to reconcile "I want to put my thoughts out, but for as many people as possible to see them, and without caring about impact". At best, it feels like void navel-gazing, and at worst it might be a source of so much thoughtless/marginalizing content on Twitter: because the author did not care what their words will do to the reader. The feedback loop is essential not only for enriching the overall community, but for enriching our own understanding.
        Shared404 6y ago
        > "I want to put my thoughts out, but for as many people as possible to see them, and without caring about impact". I suppose I've interpreted the thought process differently. I see it as "I'm going to put my thoughts out, maybe someone will find it interesting.", with the key difference of not caring about many people see/interact. > at worst it might be a source of so much thoughtless/marginalizing content on Twitter: because the author did not care what their words will do to the reader. Alternately, this could be caused by echo chambers where people scream endless affirmation at you because you said something that lines up with their political views. Neither method of using Twitter is more wrong or more right, just different.
  - JoshTriplett 6y ago
    > Twitter does not have a feature to "Edit". If you don't care at all about others interacting with your tweets, then Twitter has an edit button: delete the tweet and post a new one.
etxm 6y ago
When we were texting our tweets to Twitter a decade ago they didn’t respond with 200 random retweets.
jhunter1016 6y ago
Hacker News would actually be the opposite if I was going to go single-sided with it. I don’t normally participate in the conversations but I love reading them. This conversation though just happened to touch on something I’ve been experimenting with so I was compelled to comment. That said, give me the read only client for HN (I know this exist already) :)