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You're right, Electron app. are ok... If there is only one in RAM ! On my 8 GB computer, I used to run in the same time : - VsCode (700 MB) - Teams (600

You're right, Electron app. are ok... If there is only one in RAM ! On my 8 GB computer, I used to run in the same time : - VsCode (700 MB) - Teams (600 MB), - PostMan (350 MB !? WTF) - WhatsApp (consumes almost 600 MB after 1 hour !) I had to switch to the web version for the last 3... In contrast, running 25 torrents with qBitTorrent: ~25 mb.

whereistimbo 6y ago
You could run WhatsApp on a browser instead of having another seperate chromium instance.
- stef-13013 6y ago
  Yes, that's what I've done... (and not only it) It is just to illustrate the fact that Electron, after all, might be a real problem for native app.
Iwan-Zotow 6y ago
Hate to tell you, but 16Gb is a pretty much minimum now. Running with 32 and looking for 64Gb laptop
- anthk 6y ago
  2GB laptop here, I can run several qt5 applications, with Electron I would bring to its knees with just three.
  - Fnoord 6y ago
    Ripcord instead of Discord and Slack.
    - anthk 6y ago
      Or a bitlbee gateway + IRSSI.
      - stjohnswarts 6y ago
        Yeah if all text works for you doing a bridge through IRC is the way to go. I think weechat also has some add on for discord, slack, and element
        Fnoord 6y ago
        Any of these is suffice but I thought it was nice adding a mention of a lightweight Qt application.
  - Iwan-Zotow 6y ago
    I can do this but cannot do that at the same time. Having 2Gb is pretty limited
- stef-13013 6y ago
  Yes it is true, but in terms of CPU, there is an issue too... (Lots of sub-processes by apps, means higher context switching, etc.) And If I need 32GB and 16-CPU to run 5 or 6 apps... Asimov was right after all :)
- stockerta 6y ago
  In what world? In many parts of the world, the only machine people can afford have 4-8Gb RAM, And those machines cost a month pay.
  - ulisesrmzroche 6y ago
    So what? This is a business decision. You’re not likely to be a customer so why bother spending the effort?
- johnisgood 6y ago
  Why is it the minimum though? Have we ever thought of that? I have 8 GB and it is increasingly becoming a problem and I will have to upgrade just because I want to have a browser and IntelliJ open.
  - stef-13013 6y ago
    Yes, It reminds me when Java has been released for the first time. The mantra was : "Yes, pretty slow but don't panic, in a couple of months better hardware will fix that" !!
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Hate to tell you, but 8GB is quite common across IT departments in 2020.
  - Iwan-Zotow 6y ago
    Then people with 8Gb laptops are limited to what they could do. Hardware matters more than people Do you really wants to limit your folks in such way for something like $150?
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      $150 is one month salary in quite a few countries actually. My personal laptop has 8 GB, is 10 years old by now, I am not limited in anything I care about.
scaladev 6y ago
Yeah, the Silly Valley bubble doesn't realize how the rest of the world lives. In my third world country they're still selling _new_ (straight from the factory, this year's models) laptops with 4 GBs of RAM. Most models still come with 8 GBs of RAM (and most of them cost above of what I make in a month, and I pull a relatively decent paycheck). You get the idea.
- jcelerier 6y ago
  > In my third world country they're still selling _new_ (straight from the factory, this year's models) laptops with 4 GBs of RAM I live in France and there are 4GB here too: https://www.ldlc.com/informatique/ordinateur-portable/pc-portable/c4265/+fi395-l4h4.html https://www.ldlc.com/informatique/ordinateur-portable/pc-por... hell, in one of the biggest online retailers, the second biggest category is 2 gigabytes (number in parentheses is the number of laptop models available with that ram amount) https://imgur.com/a/LL8H7aP https://imgur.com/a/LL8H7aP
- lambda_obrien 6y ago
  If I run more than two "browsers" my laptop slows to a crawl (I am in the USA, but I don't have the money for fancy stuff), so I have to decide to run Firefox (main browser), Chromium (test browser), VSCODE (IDE "browser"), or one of the other 50 "browsers" I have installed. Usually I have to run all of the above 3 when working, so I end up using OS tools to "freeze" the process of whichever "browser" I am not using at the time, but it causes problems. I would be super happy if I could run several similar engines under one main process, I don't care as much about security concerns when I'm developing my own software, and would not mind some "intraprocess security holes" if I could reduce my memory footprint like that and then turn it off when I want the "security holes" to be closed again.
- thebigspacefuck 6y ago
  It’s not as bad these days with SSDs
  - stjohnswarts 6y ago
    Actually it is, SSD does help a little bit with swapping for disk I/O if RAM gets full but in general keeping the app in RAM is much much faster than even SSD. Electron absolutely chews up RAM like crazy compared to just about every c++ based GUI I've ever used. I just thought I'd let you know that.
int_19h 6y ago
Whether one at a time is okay still depends on the app... https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/22900 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/22900

whereistimbo 6y ago

You could run WhatsApp on a browser instead of having another seperate chromium instance.

stef-13013 6y ago
Yes, that's what I've done... (and not only it) It is just to illustrate the fact that Electron, after all, might be a real problem for native app.

Iwan-Zotow 6y ago

Hate to tell you, but 16Gb is a pretty much minimum now. Running with 32 and looking for 64Gb laptop

anthk 6y ago
2GB laptop here, I can run several qt5 applications, with Electron I would bring to its knees with just three.
- Fnoord 6y ago
  Ripcord instead of Discord and Slack.
  - anthk 6y ago
    Or a bitlbee gateway + IRSSI.
    - stjohnswarts 6y ago
      Yeah if all text works for you doing a bridge through IRC is the way to go. I think weechat also has some add on for discord, slack, and element
      - Fnoord 6y ago
        Any of these is suffice but I thought it was nice adding a mention of a lightweight Qt application.
- Iwan-Zotow 6y ago
  I can do this but cannot do that at the same time. Having 2Gb is pretty limited
stef-13013 6y ago
Yes it is true, but in terms of CPU, there is an issue too... (Lots of sub-processes by apps, means higher context switching, etc.) And If I need 32GB and 16-CPU to run 5 or 6 apps... Asimov was right after all :)
stockerta 6y ago
In what world? In many parts of the world, the only machine people can afford have 4-8Gb RAM, And those machines cost a month pay.
- ulisesrmzroche 6y ago
  So what? This is a business decision. You’re not likely to be a customer so why bother spending the effort?
johnisgood 6y ago
Why is it the minimum though? Have we ever thought of that? I have 8 GB and it is increasingly becoming a problem and I will have to upgrade just because I want to have a browser and IntelliJ open.
- stef-13013 6y ago
  Yes, It reminds me when Java has been released for the first time. The mantra was : "Yes, pretty slow but don't panic, in a couple of months better hardware will fix that" !!
pjmlp 6y ago
Hate to tell you, but 8GB is quite common across IT departments in 2020.
- Iwan-Zotow 6y ago
  Then people with 8Gb laptops are limited to what they could do. Hardware matters more than people Do you really wants to limit your folks in such way for something like $150?
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    $150 is one month salary in quite a few countries actually. My personal laptop has 8 GB, is 10 years old by now, I am not limited in anything I care about.

scaladev 6y ago

Yeah, the Silly Valley bubble doesn't realize how the rest of the world lives. In my third world country they're still selling _new_ (straight from the factory, this year's models) laptops with 4 GBs of RAM. Most models still come with 8 GBs of RAM (and most of them cost above of what I make in a month, and I pull a relatively decent paycheck). You get the idea.

jcelerier 6y ago
> In my third world country they're still selling _new_ (straight from the factory, this year's models) laptops with 4 GBs of RAM I live in France and there are 4GB here too: https://www.ldlc.com/informatique/ordinateur-portable/pc-portable/c4265/+fi395-l4h4.html https://www.ldlc.com/informatique/ordinateur-portable/pc-por... hell, in one of the biggest online retailers, the second biggest category is 2 gigabytes (number in parentheses is the number of laptop models available with that ram amount) https://imgur.com/a/LL8H7aP https://imgur.com/a/LL8H7aP
lambda_obrien 6y ago
If I run more than two "browsers" my laptop slows to a crawl (I am in the USA, but I don't have the money for fancy stuff), so I have to decide to run Firefox (main browser), Chromium (test browser), VSCODE (IDE "browser"), or one of the other 50 "browsers" I have installed. Usually I have to run all of the above 3 when working, so I end up using OS tools to "freeze" the process of whichever "browser" I am not using at the time, but it causes problems. I would be super happy if I could run several similar engines under one main process, I don't care as much about security concerns when I'm developing my own software, and would not mind some "intraprocess security holes" if I could reduce my memory footprint like that and then turn it off when I want the "security holes" to be closed again.
thebigspacefuck 6y ago
It’s not as bad these days with SSDs
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  Actually it is, SSD does help a little bit with swapping for disk I/O if RAM gets full but in general keeping the app in RAM is much much faster than even SSD. Electron absolutely chews up RAM like crazy compared to just about every c++ based GUI I've ever used. I just thought I'd let you know that.

int_19h 6y ago

Whether one at a time is okay still depends on the app... https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/22900 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/22900