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I would like to review your Common Lisp credentials.

fermienrico 6y ago
You don't need to be a race car driver to debunk a sales man trying to tell you "This is the best car in the world!". My advice to you is to be humble, you're clearly passionate about Lisp and turn that into a positive thing. Saying Lisp is the best language in the world is a sweeping statement, something a snake oil salesman would put across.
- Hexstream 6y ago
  Common Lisp really IS the best programming language in the world, though. This is a statement of fact. We could do a better job of proving it and demonstrating it to the world, and it would be easier to do it faster with funding.
  - fermienrico 6y ago
    I wish you all the best convincing people its the best language in the world.
    - Hexstream 6y ago
      Thank you. I am aiming to help make Common Lisp (or a close descendant) a top 5 programming language by 2040. I believe this is eminently achievable given proper approaches, and funding me would certainly help towards that goal. https://twitter.com/HexstreamSoft/status/1213964177657794577 https://twitter.com/HexstreamSoft/status/1213964177657794577
  - Rochus 6y ago
    "Lisp isn't a language, it's a building material." (Alan Kay, see e.g. http://www.paulgraham.com/quotes.html?viewfullsite=1 http://www.paulgraham.com/quotes.html?viewfullsite=1). I first used Lisp more than thirty years ago (back then on the VAX), but I still don't understand why it is supposed to be the "best programming language" (as some people continue to claim). It is not even obvious to me how to recognize a programming language as the "best" one. The advantage of the simple syntax is paid with several disadvantages. Praising Lisp for its simple syntax is like praising a protein for its simple structure consisting only of a chain of amino acids.
    - Hexstream 6y ago
      Simple syntax is just one of countless crucial features. Here is just a trivial sample: https://twitter.com/HexstreamSoft/status/1334220825281654785 https://twitter.com/HexstreamSoft/status/1334220825281654785 Fairly extensive advocacy pieces already exist, and we need even more sophisticated ones, and better infrastructure overall, and it would be much easier to do that with proper funding.
      - Rochus 6y ago
        It does not help to "prove" an assertion by making further unsubstantiated assertions. Why is Lisp the "best programming language"? How can we recognize a programming language as the "best" one at all? Why do "we need even more sophisticated" extensive advocacy pieces? What "better infrastructure" is required for what purpose?
        Hexstream 6y ago
        > It does not help to "prove" an assertion by making further unsubstantiated assertions. Exactly, so stop doing that, then. Including sealioning. > Why is Lisp the "best programming language"? First, the best programming language is Common Lisp, not just any Lisp. Second, I already gave hints towards answering your question above, but you do have to do your homework if you want to even have a chance at understanding. > How can we recognize a programming language as the "best" one at all? Easily, if you understand the best programming language and see that all others are blub. > Why do "we need even more sophisticated" extensive advocacy pieces? Because then we can just point non-believers like you at it to automatically win all arguments. > What "better infrastructure" is required for what purpose? Have you even read the Common Lisp Revival 2020 Fundraiser pitch? I encourage everyone to do so, and urgently. https://github.com/sponsors/Hexstream https://github.com/sponsors/Hexstream
        Rochus 6y ago
        Is this in all seriousness your answer to the questions? And yes, I looked through your rather chaotic pitch.
Rochus 6y ago
A very bold claim considering https://cv.hexstream.expert/#education https://cv.hexstream.expert/#education. "Computer Programming at Collège de Bois-de-Boulogne (completed 4 terms out of 6) 2003 – 2005 (2 years) Montréal, Québec, Canada Grade: Best of my class in programming [...] I introduced and explained the concept of an event loop to one of my computer science teachers. I dropped out for personal reasons.", see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coll%C3%A8ge_de_Bois-de-Boulogne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coll%C3%A8ge_de_Bois-de-Boulog...
- Hexstream 6y ago
  Did you mean to present an argument of some sort?
  - Rochus 6y ago
    Yes, that you should be better able to justify why you are the right person for the job; after all, it is you who is asking for money and questioning the competence of others. In any case, you are not able to convince me, and on the basis of the other comments one can assume that this also applies to others. It's not enough that you are very convinced of your own abilities.
    - Hexstream 6y ago
      My CV and other writings and most especially my work itself pretty extensively justify that I'm the right person for the job. Of course, it's probably pretty hard to tell without significant Common Lisp expertise... My CV: https://cv.hexstream.expert/ https://cv.hexstream.expert/ My work: https://www.hexstreamsoft.com/ https://www.hexstreamsoft.com/ Also, you should probably ask Paul Graham what he thinks of college dropouts...
      - Rochus 6y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Graham_(programmer)#Education https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Graham_(programmer)#Educa... "Graham received a Bachelor of Arts in philosophy from Cornell University[7][8] (1986).[9] He then attended Harvard University, earning Master of Science (1988) and Doctor of Philosophy (1990) degrees in computer science.[7][10] He has also studied painting at the Rhode Island School of Design and at the Accademia di Belle Arti in Florence.[7][10]"

You don't need to be a race car driver to debunk a sales man trying to tell you "This is the best car in the world!". My advice to you is to be humble, you're clearly passionate about Lisp and turn that into a positive thing. Saying Lisp is the best language in the world is a sweeping statement, something a snake oil salesman would put across.

Hexstream 6y ago
Common Lisp really IS the best programming language in the world, though. This is a statement of fact. We could do a better job of proving it and demonstrating it to the world, and it would be easier to do it faster with funding.
- fermienrico 6y ago
  I wish you all the best convincing people its the best language in the world.
  - Hexstream 6y ago
    Thank you. I am aiming to help make Common Lisp (or a close descendant) a top 5 programming language by 2040. I believe this is eminently achievable given proper approaches, and funding me would certainly help towards that goal. https://twitter.com/HexstreamSoft/status/1213964177657794577 https://twitter.com/HexstreamSoft/status/1213964177657794577
- Rochus 6y ago
  "Lisp isn't a language, it's a building material." (Alan Kay, see e.g. http://www.paulgraham.com/quotes.html?viewfullsite=1 http://www.paulgraham.com/quotes.html?viewfullsite=1). I first used Lisp more than thirty years ago (back then on the VAX), but I still don't understand why it is supposed to be the "best programming language" (as some people continue to claim). It is not even obvious to me how to recognize a programming language as the "best" one. The advantage of the simple syntax is paid with several disadvantages. Praising Lisp for its simple syntax is like praising a protein for its simple structure consisting only of a chain of amino acids.
  - Hexstream 6y ago
    Simple syntax is just one of countless crucial features. Here is just a trivial sample: https://twitter.com/HexstreamSoft/status/1334220825281654785 https://twitter.com/HexstreamSoft/status/1334220825281654785 Fairly extensive advocacy pieces already exist, and we need even more sophisticated ones, and better infrastructure overall, and it would be much easier to do that with proper funding.
    - Rochus 6y ago
      It does not help to "prove" an assertion by making further unsubstantiated assertions. Why is Lisp the "best programming language"? How can we recognize a programming language as the "best" one at all? Why do "we need even more sophisticated" extensive advocacy pieces? What "better infrastructure" is required for what purpose?
      - Hexstream 6y ago
        > It does not help to "prove" an assertion by making further unsubstantiated assertions. Exactly, so stop doing that, then. Including sealioning. > Why is Lisp the "best programming language"? First, the best programming language is Common Lisp, not just any Lisp. Second, I already gave hints towards answering your question above, but you do have to do your homework if you want to even have a chance at understanding. > How can we recognize a programming language as the "best" one at all? Easily, if you understand the best programming language and see that all others are blub. > Why do "we need even more sophisticated" extensive advocacy pieces? Because then we can just point non-believers like you at it to automatically win all arguments. > What "better infrastructure" is required for what purpose? Have you even read the Common Lisp Revival 2020 Fundraiser pitch? I encourage everyone to do so, and urgently. https://github.com/sponsors/Hexstream https://github.com/sponsors/Hexstream
        Rochus 6y ago
        Is this in all seriousness your answer to the questions? And yes, I looked through your rather chaotic pitch.

Rochus 6y ago

A very bold claim considering https://cv.hexstream.expert/#education https://cv.hexstream.expert/#education. "Computer Programming at Collège de Bois-de-Boulogne (completed 4 terms out of 6) 2003 – 2005 (2 years) Montréal, Québec, Canada Grade: Best of my class in programming [...] I introduced and explained the concept of an event loop to one of my computer science teachers. I dropped out for personal reasons.", see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coll%C3%A8ge_de_Bois-de-Boulogne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coll%C3%A8ge_de_Bois-de-Boulog...

Hexstream 6y ago
Did you mean to present an argument of some sort?
- Rochus 6y ago
  Yes, that you should be better able to justify why you are the right person for the job; after all, it is you who is asking for money and questioning the competence of others. In any case, you are not able to convince me, and on the basis of the other comments one can assume that this also applies to others. It's not enough that you are very convinced of your own abilities.
  - Hexstream 6y ago
    My CV and other writings and most especially my work itself pretty extensively justify that I'm the right person for the job. Of course, it's probably pretty hard to tell without significant Common Lisp expertise... My CV: https://cv.hexstream.expert/ https://cv.hexstream.expert/ My work: https://www.hexstreamsoft.com/ https://www.hexstreamsoft.com/ Also, you should probably ask Paul Graham what he thinks of college dropouts...
    - Rochus 6y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Graham_(programmer)#Education https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Graham_(programmer)#Educa... "Graham received a Bachelor of Arts in philosophy from Cornell University[7][8] (1986).[9] He then attended Harvard University, earning Master of Science (1988) and Doctor of Philosophy (1990) degrees in computer science.[7][10] He has also studied painting at the Rhode Island School of Design and at the Accademia di Belle Arti in Florence.[7][10]"