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Urgent appeal to Paul Graham, etc.: Please help kickstart Common Lisp revolution

7 points by Hexstream 6y ago

blunte 6y ago
Maybe I missed a section in the post that provided any argument for why there should be a revolution at all. Granted, if there were a revolution, tfa did make the case for why he should lead it.
- Hexstream 6y ago
  Thank you for your interest. I believe you are looking for the Common Lisp Revival 2020 Fundraiser pitch: https://github.com/sponsors/Hexstream https://github.com/sponsors/Hexstream
r-w 6y ago
I won't be donating, since I don't believe that what needs to change in software development is as simple as a choice of programming language--I'm sure you've heard that one before. Best of luck with your endeavors regardless!
- Hexstream 6y ago
  The Common Lisp Revival 2020 Fundraiser is mostly oriented towards people who understand the value of Common Lisp. Thank you.
  - r-w 6y ago
    I understand its value as well as I believe I need to in order to do good work. I'm sure you hold beliefs that are different from mine, and I think that diversity--and the fact that we can talk about this stuff honestly and respectfully--is what makes our industry great.
    - Hexstream 6y ago
      I am creating tons of Common Lisp community resources that definitely help attract a more diverse audience to Common Lisp, incidentally. (Not everyone is comfortable with the "pop up in chat and ask experts" model.) My CV offers a lot of pertinent details about my work: https://cv.hexstream.expert/ https://cv.hexstream.expert/
fermienrico 6y ago
On the fundraiser page: https://github.com/sponsors/Hexstream https://github.com/sponsors/Hexstream > Common Lisp is the best programming language in the world! Why? What an absurd, arrogant, misinformed and misguided claim.
- Hexstream 6y ago
  I would like to review your Common Lisp credentials.
  - fermienrico 6y ago
    You don't need to be a race car driver to debunk a sales man trying to tell you "This is the best car in the world!". My advice to you is to be humble, you're clearly passionate about Lisp and turn that into a positive thing. Saying Lisp is the best language in the world is a sweeping statement, something a snake oil salesman would put across.
    - Hexstream 6y ago
      Common Lisp really IS the best programming language in the world, though. This is a statement of fact. We could do a better job of proving it and demonstrating it to the world, and it would be easier to do it faster with funding.
      - fermienrico 6y ago
        I wish you all the best convincing people its the best language in the world.
        Hexstream 6y ago
        Thank you. I am aiming to help make Common Lisp (or a close descendant) a top 5 programming language by 2040. I believe this is eminently achievable given proper approaches, and funding me would certainly help towards that goal. https://twitter.com/HexstreamSoft/status/1213964177657794577 https://twitter.com/HexstreamSoft/status/1213964177657794577
bobthebuilders 6y ago
Is.... this a joke? This just seems like shameless self promotion of no real value.
- Hexstream 6y ago
  This is dead serious. Do you find the idea of funding Common Lisp Open Source abhorrent? Because that is the primary focus of my work and my life. Do you think this would have more intrinsic value if someone else promoted it for me? And I have never understood the hate against relevant self-promotion. Why don't you want value creators to promote their work themselves?
  - bobthebuilders 6y ago
    No and no. If someone else promoted it for you, I still would've flagged it as spam. The problem with self promotion is not with you, or any one in particular, but in a tragedy of the commons. I don't want HN to be filled up with hundreds of requests of self-promotion.
- Rochus 6y ago
  Not so "dead serious": As an alternative to the "Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster" the "Church of Lambda" could be founded (see https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/churches-religious-organizations https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/churches-religious...). To find believers and members should not be a problem, one might think.
teilo 6y ago
Oh, buddy. Time to get out of your bubble.
- Hexstream 6y ago
  No, my bubble just needs a bit of funding so I can be even more effective at contributing to Common Lisp Open Source.

7 points by Hexstream 6y ago

Maybe I missed a section in the post that provided any argument for why there should be a revolution at all. Granted, if there were a revolution, tfa did make the case for why he should lead it.

Hexstream 6y ago
Thank you for your interest. I believe you are looking for the Common Lisp Revival 2020 Fundraiser pitch: https://github.com/sponsors/Hexstream https://github.com/sponsors/Hexstream

r-w 6y ago

I won't be donating, since I don't believe that what needs to change in software development is as simple as a choice of programming language--I'm sure you've heard that one before. Best of luck with your endeavors regardless!

Hexstream 6y ago
The Common Lisp Revival 2020 Fundraiser is mostly oriented towards people who understand the value of Common Lisp. Thank you.
- r-w 6y ago
  I understand its value as well as I believe I need to in order to do good work. I'm sure you hold beliefs that are different from mine, and I think that diversity--and the fact that we can talk about this stuff honestly and respectfully--is what makes our industry great.
  - Hexstream 6y ago
    I am creating tons of Common Lisp community resources that definitely help attract a more diverse audience to Common Lisp, incidentally. (Not everyone is comfortable with the "pop up in chat and ask experts" model.) My CV offers a lot of pertinent details about my work: https://cv.hexstream.expert/ https://cv.hexstream.expert/

fermienrico 6y ago

On the fundraiser page: https://github.com/sponsors/Hexstream https://github.com/sponsors/Hexstream > Common Lisp is the best programming language in the world! Why? What an absurd, arrogant, misinformed and misguided claim.

Hexstream 6y ago
I would like to review your Common Lisp credentials.
- fermienrico 6y ago
  You don't need to be a race car driver to debunk a sales man trying to tell you "This is the best car in the world!". My advice to you is to be humble, you're clearly passionate about Lisp and turn that into a positive thing. Saying Lisp is the best language in the world is a sweeping statement, something a snake oil salesman would put across.
  - Hexstream 6y ago
    Common Lisp really IS the best programming language in the world, though. This is a statement of fact. We could do a better job of proving it and demonstrating it to the world, and it would be easier to do it faster with funding.
    - fermienrico 6y ago
      I wish you all the best convincing people its the best language in the world.
      - Hexstream 6y ago
        Thank you. I am aiming to help make Common Lisp (or a close descendant) a top 5 programming language by 2040. I believe this is eminently achievable given proper approaches, and funding me would certainly help towards that goal. https://twitter.com/HexstreamSoft/status/1213964177657794577 https://twitter.com/HexstreamSoft/status/1213964177657794577

bobthebuilders 6y ago

Is.... this a joke? This just seems like shameless self promotion of no real value.

Hexstream 6y ago
This is dead serious. Do you find the idea of funding Common Lisp Open Source abhorrent? Because that is the primary focus of my work and my life. Do you think this would have more intrinsic value if someone else promoted it for me? And I have never understood the hate against relevant self-promotion. Why don't you want value creators to promote their work themselves?
- bobthebuilders 6y ago
  No and no. If someone else promoted it for you, I still would've flagged it as spam. The problem with self promotion is not with you, or any one in particular, but in a tragedy of the commons. I don't want HN to be filled up with hundreds of requests of self-promotion.
Rochus 6y ago
Not so "dead serious": As an alternative to the "Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster" the "Church of Lambda" could be founded (see https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/churches-religious-organizations https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/churches-religious...). To find believers and members should not be a problem, one might think.

teilo 6y ago

Oh, buddy. Time to get out of your bubble.

Hexstream 6y ago
No, my bubble just needs a bit of funding so I can be even more effective at contributing to Common Lisp Open Source.