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>“The Presidency of the LEWP presented its intention to propose concrete measures towards creating a single secure European cyberspace,” according to brief minu
by joshes 15y ago
>“The Presidency of the LEWP presented its intention to propose concrete measures towards creating a single secure European cyberspace,” according to brief minutes of the meeting. The secure European cyberspace would have a "virtual Schengen border", it adds, referring to the treaty that allows freedom of movement within the EU but imposes controls on entry to the bloc. There would also be “virtual access points" whereby “the Internet Service Providers would block illicit contents on the basis of the EU ‘black-list’”, the proposal says.
Wow. Not only is it a terrible-sounding idea when heard second hand, it is even worse when heard straight from the horse's mouth. "A single secure cyberspace" sounds an awful lot like "A single secure SOCIETY!" It's as if Emperor Palpatine and the MAFIAA elite got together to determine the most efficient way to deny people of their rights for the sake of greed and power. How can anyone possibly hear what they are saying in these plans and not recoil with horror and disgust? It runs counter to all ideals and freedoms that the West purports to stand for.
Sheer absurdity.
- tomjen3 15y agoIt is the classic case of what happens when you apply the old rules (stuff like Schengen) to completely new areas where they don't apply at all.
- mattmanser 15y agoWhy don't they apply at all? They just don't apply because no-one has made them apply yet. Years ago one could get copied tapes and access banned materials in flea markets and back rooms. It was illegal and yet people did it. Neo-Nazis traded banned reading materials just as Christians traded illegal bibles in China. While the internet has made the flow of information easier, it's not the case that it invented the practice which has probably gone on since the invention of speech. All the internet has done has given us the ability to get involved in illegal practices much easier than they did before.
- tomjen3 15y agoWe wouldn't have borders if we could teleport to any place on earth. The internet is the closer to this scenario than the classical country model.
- chopsueyar 15y agoExcept is has nothing to do with physical objects, only bits and oscillating electrons.
- nitrogen 15y agoThe analogy holds because governments are trying to apply notions (such as national borders) derived from a physically-constrained world of isolation to the unconstrained, connected virtual world.
- chopsueyar 15y agoThis virtual world you speak of requires a physical medium of transfer. Let us not forget all that physical hardware is somewhere and somebody's electrical infrastructure is powering it. OSI - Level 1.
- joshes 15y agoAgreed. The problem with politicians (in places where they are democratically elected) is that they are concerned only with short term solutions because they are only concerned with getting re-elected and scoring political points. So when new and unique situations presents their selves and certain interest groups and parties feel threatened (especially those with any semblance of influence), the politicians apply older and inapplicable methods because it provides the image that they are "at least doing something" about the supposed threat. The Internet is still a completely new, ever-changing landscape and politicians are stuck spinning their wheels in the mud as special interests (such as the MAFIAA) demand something, anything be done when the new model does not run parallel to their profit motive. So the easy solution is to just slap older laws and regulations over the top like an ill-fitting band-aid and hope it works. MAFIAA wins. Politician wins. Citizenry loses, as per usual.
- HelloBeautiful 15y ago>> The problem with politicians (in places where they are democratically elected) is that they are concerned only with short term solutions because they are only concerned with getting re-elected and scoring political points. You are very naive. There are ppl with enormous amounts of money and power behind the TV politicians. And those ppl have long term plans how to increase their power and money.
- calpaterson 15y agoThere were no elected representatives at this meeting. The LEWP is a subgroup of the non-democratic council, not of the parliament. That's one of the things that you have to be careful with the EU - many "politicians" are not elected.
- bluedanieru 15y agoWho are the members of the group? Ex-politicians? People from MAFIAA? A mix of both? If they aren't elected they still might have the instincts of a politician.
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- xiaoma 15y agoIt sounds like a very low-tech imitation of the Great Firewall of China.