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I think the migration out of the bay will make it a more reasonable place to live. We do have some of the best weather in the world. I'm going to gamble on stay

I think the migration out of the bay will make it a more reasonable place to live. We do have some of the best weather in the world. I'm going to gamble on staying. Hopefully this isn't like detroit.

andreilys 6y ago
San Diego and LA have SFBA easily beat in terms of weather.
- nendroid 6y ago
  Of course but bay is still one of the best in the world. Also the bay encompasses more than SF, while SF and daly city have notoriously foggy weather, the rest of the bay area is quite good.
  - umeshunni 6y ago
    There's a narrow slice between San Mateo and Santa Clara that has great weather. Anything North or West is cold and foggy. South Bay and East Bay pushes 100F for 3 months a year. And this is before you consider that we now have 1-2 months of smoke season.
    - reducesuffering 6y ago
      South and East Bay only have ~10 days a year of 95+. You make it sound like Texas.
    - nendroid 6y ago
      For the south bay it's not 3 months of the year, 100F lasts for like 2-3 weeks at most (actually realistically it's more like 95-100). It's the same for socal. Socal has about 2-3 weeks in the summer where the temps become sweltering. Even within LA the temperatures vary, the closer you are to the coastline the better the weather. I know because I grew up in the south bay, I lived in SF for 2 years and lived in LA for 10 years. What's overall better in socal is that the winters are much more mild. In the south bay the worst you can get is ice in the morning and really cold nights. Socal winters just has a very slightly lower temperature than spring. Not trying to say NorCal has better weather than Socal. I'm saying NorCal has some of the best weather in the world despite it not having the "perfect" weather that Socal has. The entire CA coast line is afterall still in the mediterranean climate zone.
      - kenhwang 6y ago
        The best weather really lies between Socal and Norcal: SLO and SB. Their biggest weakness was always the lack of local jobs.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  I feel like they're both at the level where it's a minor tradeoff between fog and summer heat, and for me fog is the clear choice.
- ngokevin 6y ago
  Unless you don't like summer heat and heat waves. SF is more consistently around 70F. Depends if you like 55F - 75F versus 70F - 90F
  - mdorazio 6y ago
    We're talking about the same SF from this summer where the heat waves were just as bad as SoCal? California climate change now means you're going to get heat waves pretty much everywhere.
    - ngokevin 6y ago
      Never felt remotely hot where I live in SF. Maybe towards Mission and further south/east.
  - adenadel 6y ago
    San Diego is right in the range that you are describing. Average highs in August are ~75. I'm biased though since I lived in San Diego for a couple of years and have never lived in or near San Francisco. Inland is much hotter in San Diego though. https://www.weather-us.com/en/california-usa/san-diego-climate#temperature https://www.weather-us.com/en/california-usa/san-diego-clima...
  - asdff 6y ago
    A 100* heat wave in LA only clocks like 82* in san diego. Then again on that 100* LA day it is still only like 85* on the coast.
- pengaru 6y ago
  I'm inclined to agree, if you can be near enough to the ocean to tame the summer heat. SFBA winters are kinda miserable IMHO. It's not rust belt snow bad, but consistently cold and wet for months isn't exactly ideal. And SF-proper regularly being fogged in renders too many nights useless WRT enjoying the outdoors, year-round. It's almost pointless to have something like a rooftop deck or outdoor patio. It'll all corrode and rot before you get sufficient use of it. San Mateo manages to escape most of the negative fog effects though, I enjoyed living on the hill by 92 and Hillsdale Blvd. We'd regularly watch the apocalyptic fog stall @ Skyline while enjoying dinner outside on our deck.
scubbo 6y ago
> We do have some of the best weather in the world. Certainly some of the sunniest in the English-speaking world. Personally (as an ex-Londoner), I overheat a lot and actually miss a good rainstorm from time-to-time - but your evaluation does line up with most people's, I think. Let's just gloss over the increasingly-common smoke from wildfires... :)
- nendroid 6y ago
  >Let's just gloss over the increasingly-common smoke from wildfires... :) Yeah that part is bad. Not sure how to rate CA in general when you account for this as the wild fires only started getting crazy recently. For most of my life overall the fires weren't a problem. >Certainly some of the sunniest in the English-speaking world. Personally (as an ex-Londoner), I overheat a lot and actually miss a good rainstorm from time-to-time - but your evaluation does line up with most people's, I think. Scientifically it is actually rated as some of the best in terms of closest to something like room temperature throughout the year. It's a climate zone called the mediterranean climate zone. It exists in a few places in the world.
tjr225 6y ago
> Hopefully this isn't like detroit. Even if it became more like Detroit you'd still have what Detroit can never have- nice weather and unbeatable nature right outside your doorstep.
pbuzbee 6y ago
I think it's unlikely to turn out like Detroit, and I say that as someone who wants to leave the region. The region will continue to have many of its best qualities: good weather, (relatively) diverse culture, access to nature, and good employment prospects. The biggest issue with the region is the high cost of living, but any relief in housing costs will only make the area more appealing again. There's a high floor.

I think the migration out of the bay will make it a more reasonable place to live. We do have some of the best weather in the world. I'm going to gamble on staying. Hopefully this isn't like detroit.

andreilys 6y ago

San Diego and LA have SFBA easily beat in terms of weather.

nendroid 6y ago
Of course but bay is still one of the best in the world. Also the bay encompasses more than SF, while SF and daly city have notoriously foggy weather, the rest of the bay area is quite good.
- umeshunni 6y ago
  There's a narrow slice between San Mateo and Santa Clara that has great weather. Anything North or West is cold and foggy. South Bay and East Bay pushes 100F for 3 months a year. And this is before you consider that we now have 1-2 months of smoke season.
  - reducesuffering 6y ago
    South and East Bay only have ~10 days a year of 95+. You make it sound like Texas.
  - nendroid 6y ago
    For the south bay it's not 3 months of the year, 100F lasts for like 2-3 weeks at most (actually realistically it's more like 95-100). It's the same for socal. Socal has about 2-3 weeks in the summer where the temps become sweltering. Even within LA the temperatures vary, the closer you are to the coastline the better the weather. I know because I grew up in the south bay, I lived in SF for 2 years and lived in LA for 10 years. What's overall better in socal is that the winters are much more mild. In the south bay the worst you can get is ice in the morning and really cold nights. Socal winters just has a very slightly lower temperature than spring. Not trying to say NorCal has better weather than Socal. I'm saying NorCal has some of the best weather in the world despite it not having the "perfect" weather that Socal has. The entire CA coast line is afterall still in the mediterranean climate zone.
    - kenhwang 6y ago
      The best weather really lies between Socal and Norcal: SLO and SB. Their biggest weakness was always the lack of local jobs.
SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
I feel like they're both at the level where it's a minor tradeoff between fog and summer heat, and for me fog is the clear choice.
ngokevin 6y ago
Unless you don't like summer heat and heat waves. SF is more consistently around 70F. Depends if you like 55F - 75F versus 70F - 90F
- mdorazio 6y ago
  We're talking about the same SF from this summer where the heat waves were just as bad as SoCal? California climate change now means you're going to get heat waves pretty much everywhere.
  - ngokevin 6y ago
    Never felt remotely hot where I live in SF. Maybe towards Mission and further south/east.
- adenadel 6y ago
  San Diego is right in the range that you are describing. Average highs in August are ~75. I'm biased though since I lived in San Diego for a couple of years and have never lived in or near San Francisco. Inland is much hotter in San Diego though. https://www.weather-us.com/en/california-usa/san-diego-climate#temperature https://www.weather-us.com/en/california-usa/san-diego-clima...
- asdff 6y ago
  A 100* heat wave in LA only clocks like 82* in san diego. Then again on that 100* LA day it is still only like 85* on the coast.
pengaru 6y ago
I'm inclined to agree, if you can be near enough to the ocean to tame the summer heat. SFBA winters are kinda miserable IMHO. It's not rust belt snow bad, but consistently cold and wet for months isn't exactly ideal. And SF-proper regularly being fogged in renders too many nights useless WRT enjoying the outdoors, year-round. It's almost pointless to have something like a rooftop deck or outdoor patio. It'll all corrode and rot before you get sufficient use of it. San Mateo manages to escape most of the negative fog effects though, I enjoyed living on the hill by 92 and Hillsdale Blvd. We'd regularly watch the apocalyptic fog stall @ Skyline while enjoying dinner outside on our deck.

scubbo 6y ago

> We do have some of the best weather in the world. Certainly some of the sunniest in the English-speaking world. Personally (as an ex-Londoner), I overheat a lot and actually miss a good rainstorm from time-to-time - but your evaluation does line up with most people's, I think. Let's just gloss over the increasingly-common smoke from wildfires... :)

nendroid 6y ago
>Let's just gloss over the increasingly-common smoke from wildfires... :) Yeah that part is bad. Not sure how to rate CA in general when you account for this as the wild fires only started getting crazy recently. For most of my life overall the fires weren't a problem. >Certainly some of the sunniest in the English-speaking world. Personally (as an ex-Londoner), I overheat a lot and actually miss a good rainstorm from time-to-time - but your evaluation does line up with most people's, I think. Scientifically it is actually rated as some of the best in terms of closest to something like room temperature throughout the year. It's a climate zone called the mediterranean climate zone. It exists in a few places in the world.

tjr225 6y ago

> Hopefully this isn't like detroit. Even if it became more like Detroit you'd still have what Detroit can never have- nice weather and unbeatable nature right outside your doorstep.

pbuzbee 6y ago

I think it's unlikely to turn out like Detroit, and I say that as someone who wants to leave the region. The region will continue to have many of its best qualities: good weather, (relatively) diverse culture, access to nature, and good employment prospects. The biggest issue with the region is the high cost of living, but any relief in housing costs will only make the area more appealing again. There's a high floor.