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… and people would look into https://svelte.dev https://svelte.dev which might be everything you need.

ampdepolymerase 6y ago
They don't have enough funding. Next.js and Gatsby are in an entirely different weight class compared to Sapper. https://sapper.svelte.dev/ https://sapper.svelte.dev/
- pier25 6y ago
  And... Sapper is dead btw. Rich said it recently in a video. The Svelte team is working on the next big thing combining Svelte with Snowpack. The project is called SvelteKit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfdtmcZ4d0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfdtmcZ4d0
  - hitekker 6y ago
    I think retiring Sapper was the right decision. I have a feeling Rollup will meet a similar end too. They both seemed like fine pieces of software. They just don't seem offer separate much their counterparts nowadays that warrants continued feature development.
    - rich_harris 6y ago
      Rollup isn't going anywhere! When you poke behind the scenes of newer build tools, like Snowpack and Vite and the custom compiler that powers Remix Run, you'll find Rollup doing a lot of the heavy lifting. And it's the preferred choice of most libraries. There's a reason for that :)
      - hitekker 6y ago
        Thanks for the correction, Rich. I just watched your presentation at Svelte Summit and I'm looking forward to how Svelte progresses.
  - eitland 6y ago
    Maybe this can save someone some confusion: When I searched the first result for SvelteKit seems to be another project that is dead.
    - pier25 6y ago
      Should be called SveltePack IMO :)
    - benmccann 6y ago
      The project hasn't really been publicly released yet. The repository is still private. The package is up on npm, but isn't ready for widespread adoption yet. I'd recommend sticking with Sapper for now. https://www.npmjs.com/package/@sveltejs/kit https://www.npmjs.com/package/@sveltejs/kit
  - benmccann 6y ago
    "Sapper is dead" is not really accurate. SvelteKit is Sapper + Snowpack and there will be a migration path.
    - pier25 6y ago
      SvelteKit will replace Sapper which will never reach 1.0. Development on Sapper will stop (or probably has already stopped).
preommr 6y ago
Or even better, Vue.js I am not sure I buy into all the svelte hype, and even if claims about it's speed/build size are true - the difference isn't enough to outweigh the enormous advantage vue has in terms of a more mature ecosystem/tooling.

They don't have enough funding. Next.js and Gatsby are in an entirely different weight class compared to Sapper. https://sapper.svelte.dev/ https://sapper.svelte.dev/

pier25 6y ago
And... Sapper is dead btw. Rich said it recently in a video. The Svelte team is working on the next big thing combining Svelte with Snowpack. The project is called SvelteKit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfdtmcZ4d0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfdtmcZ4d0
- hitekker 6y ago
  I think retiring Sapper was the right decision. I have a feeling Rollup will meet a similar end too. They both seemed like fine pieces of software. They just don't seem offer separate much their counterparts nowadays that warrants continued feature development.
  - rich_harris 6y ago
    Rollup isn't going anywhere! When you poke behind the scenes of newer build tools, like Snowpack and Vite and the custom compiler that powers Remix Run, you'll find Rollup doing a lot of the heavy lifting. And it's the preferred choice of most libraries. There's a reason for that :)
    - hitekker 6y ago
      Thanks for the correction, Rich. I just watched your presentation at Svelte Summit and I'm looking forward to how Svelte progresses.
- eitland 6y ago
  Maybe this can save someone some confusion: When I searched the first result for SvelteKit seems to be another project that is dead.
  - pier25 6y ago
    Should be called SveltePack IMO :)
  - benmccann 6y ago
    The project hasn't really been publicly released yet. The repository is still private. The package is up on npm, but isn't ready for widespread adoption yet. I'd recommend sticking with Sapper for now. https://www.npmjs.com/package/@sveltejs/kit https://www.npmjs.com/package/@sveltejs/kit
- benmccann 6y ago
  "Sapper is dead" is not really accurate. SvelteKit is Sapper + Snowpack and there will be a migration path.
  - pier25 6y ago
    SvelteKit will replace Sapper which will never reach 1.0. Development on Sapper will stop (or probably has already stopped).

preommr 6y ago

Or even better, Vue.js I am not sure I buy into all the svelte hype, and even if claims about it's speed/build size are true - the difference isn't enough to outweigh the enormous advantage vue has in terms of a more mature ecosystem/tooling.