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Well, following their logic behind DMCA compliant, I guess fiddling long enough with developer's console on Chrome or Firefox would allow you to download potent

by ferdek 6y ago

Well, following their logic behind DMCA compliant, I guess fiddling long enough with developer's console on Chrome or Firefox would allow you to download potentially copyrighted material from youtube the same way youtube-dl does. sed s/youtube-dl/firefox/g and voilà, DMCA for Firefox ready to submit... Let's go further! Let's DMCA the Linux kernel because it runs Firefox/youtube-dl/curl/wget!

saagarjha 6y ago
The Linux kernel does not have "youtube" in its name–it isn't advertised as a way to download videos.
- pmoriarty 6y ago
  So if youtube-dl had a different name it'd be ok?
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    I'm not a lawyer, and even if it was I could never tell you that anything would be "ok" in this kind of situation. But I suspect that it would be better off.
sjy 6y ago
The logic behind the DMCA complaint is that youtube-dl is “marketed … for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a [copyrighted] work” [1], not that it “allows you to download potentially copyrighted material from youtube.” [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  But it wasn't. This was just a unit test.
  - arvindamirtaa 6y ago
    A unit test is an example of how the program is intended to run. It's the intention.
    - Valmar 6y ago
      No, it's not. A unit test is there to allow the developers to test whether the program is producing expected output from certain inputs. It doesn't demonstrate that it's intended for circumventing copyright. They just picked examples to use for in test cases.
    - salawat 6y ago
      The hell it isn't. A unit test is a bench test for one particular functional unit. It's a check function. If you accept that tests as carrying intent, then I demand every weapons researcher or biologist to be arrested this instant. Clearly they are only out to murder people. That is patently ludicrous.
      - ldarby 6y ago
        One of the tests in question extracts the m4a audio file of a Taylor Swift song [0] that has nearly 3 billion views and shows me 2 ads before playing. That's a lot of revenue for UMG, who I guess are a bit unhappy with this mechanism that youtube-dl provides of listening to it without having to watch the ads. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6h_JM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6h_JM
        xdrosenheim 6y ago
        So it's only a problem if the video has a lot of views and ads? If that's the case, we should ban all Pi-holes, too, as they _can_ be used to block ads. What if I have YouTube Premium, then I don't see ads, so am I allowed to download via youtube-dl?
        ldarby 6y ago

by ferdek 6y ago

saagarjha 6y ago

The Linux kernel does not have "youtube" in its name–it isn't advertised as a way to download videos.

pmoriarty 6y ago
So if youtube-dl had a different name it'd be ok?
- saagarjha 6y ago
  I'm not a lawyer, and even if it was I could never tell you that anything would be "ok" in this kind of situation. But I suspect that it would be better off.

sjy 6y ago

The logic behind the DMCA complaint is that youtube-dl is “marketed … for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a [copyrighted] work” [1], not that it “allows you to download potentially copyrighted material from youtube.” [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201

sudosysgen 6y ago
But it wasn't. This was just a unit test.
- arvindamirtaa 6y ago
  A unit test is an example of how the program is intended to run. It's the intention.
  - Valmar 6y ago
    No, it's not. A unit test is there to allow the developers to test whether the program is producing expected output from certain inputs. It doesn't demonstrate that it's intended for circumventing copyright. They just picked examples to use for in test cases.
  - salawat 6y ago
    The hell it isn't. A unit test is a bench test for one particular functional unit. It's a check function. If you accept that tests as carrying intent, then I demand every weapons researcher or biologist to be arrested this instant. Clearly they are only out to murder people. That is patently ludicrous.
    - ldarby 6y ago
      One of the tests in question extracts the m4a audio file of a Taylor Swift song [0] that has nearly 3 billion views and shows me 2 ads before playing. That's a lot of revenue for UMG, who I guess are a bit unhappy with this mechanism that youtube-dl provides of listening to it without having to watch the ads. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6h_JM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6h_JM
      - xdrosenheim 6y ago
        So it's only a problem if the video has a lot of views and ads? If that's the case, we should ban all Pi-holes, too, as they _can_ be used to block ads. What if I have YouTube Premium, then I don't see ads, so am I allowed to download via youtube-dl?
        ldarby 6y ago