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Eco disaster at Kamchatka peninsula with mass death of sea animals
- dmos62 6y agoTerrible. It's so upsetting to realise how easily we can (and do) destroy ecosystems.
- trhway 6y ago>to realise how easily we can (and do) destroy ecosystems. when you are in Russia, especially outside of large cities, especially toward the East or North, the vastness of your surroundings doesn't let you feel that you can do anything that will make any sizable imprint on the surroundings, and that feeling has been ingrained into the psyche for generations (it also correlates, with some philosophers claiming a cause here, with the Russian approach to politics in particular and the whole worldview in general :). As result you do everything you need or want without thinking of consequences, kind of like a puppy behavior toward large dog (the issue of course is that the "puppy" has long since grown up and possesses a large nuclear and chemical industries among the other things) .
- eloff 6y agoLooks like that military base dumped something yellow and very toxic into the river (or some other organization, but we only hear of the military base being in the area). I wonder what kind of chemicals fit that profile? It's nice to live in a country where doing that means lawsuits and jail time usually. I doubt there will be justice in this case.
- minerjoe 6y agoWhat country do you live in? In mine, the good ol' USA, captured regulators just make it all legal. See fracking, for example.
- ed25519FUUU 6y agoIt’s legal to dump industrial diesel into rivers in the USA?
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- inamberclad 6y agoAfter regulations have been relaxed recently, I wouldn't be surprised.
- UncleOxidant 6y agoMay not be legal, but the current administration in charge of enforcing environmental laws doesn't seem very interested in doing so.
- eloff 6y agoYes, it's sad. It's a possible argument against old leaders - they're likely to be less forward thinking than someone with more life left. Plus people of that generation care a lot less about the environment. It's obviously also a consequence of the short term focus of having fixed term limits. I don't know how to fix these things, but it's irritating that nobody even tries to fix it.
- klyrs 6y agoIt's not just the leaders. There's a large body of voters in both the US and Canada who are strongly in favor of coal, oil and gas and vehemently opposed to any limits being placed on those companies And the shit that goes down in Canada is incredible. Trudeau. Young liberal, right? Ran on an anti-pipeline platform, but when he took office, he bought the pipeline for $7B and fully indents to build it.
- eloff 6y agoI think I'm in favor of the pipeline, the alternative is shipping oil via rail which is riskier and burns more oil. Sadly it doesn't stay in the ground without a pipeline. However, Canada should get smart here and do what Norway does with their oil profits. Invest it in a sovereign wealth fund that's diversified away from oil. Because the oil age is ending and it will hit the most expensive producers, like the oil sands the hardest. That seven billion spent on converting to renewable energy might have made more sense.
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- vkou 6y agoDo you have any examples of people in your country receiving jail time for polluting the environment? On second thought - that's not the right question to ask. The better question is - does your country have many examples of people not receiving jail time for polluting the environment?
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago> Do you have any examples of people in your country receiving jail time for polluting the environment? Yes [1]. The same is true across much of the EU. Russia’s lack of rule of law isn’t exactly headline material. [1] https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/criminal-press-releases-2019 https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/criminal-press-releases-2019
- vkou 6y agoThe second question I pose is actually the more pertinent one - since it would be an apples to apples comparison. From first glance, it seems to me that major polluters do not face fines, jail time, or other forms of censure in either Russia, the EU, or the US. All three of those groups, for instance, have functioning petrochemical extraction and refining industries, functional agricultural industries, etc.
- ncmncm 6y agoIt is true that all could do a much better job of incarcerating corporate officers guilty of mass manslaughter. Somebody needs to go first and challenge the others.
- pvaldes 6y agoJust mud can have the same effect. In any case the effect on eyes and the smell would discard a mud flood (probably). You don't need a toxic to kill lots of animals.
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- tandav 6y agorelated: there was another large poison spill in russia this year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norilsk_oil_spill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norilsk_oil_spill
- pvg 6y agoNorilsk is over 3500 km from Kamchatka.
- kingofpandora 6y agoProbably why the commenter said there was another oil spill in Russia.
- pvg 6y agoProbably but 'both are in Russia' is fairly poor relatedness. Norilsk is a mining center and one of the most polluted places on the planet. It's literally made of spills - rare earth metals are extracted straight out of the decades-long polluted soil. Kamchatka is more like a less-developed, even more BFE, Russian Alaska.
- dredmorbius 6y agoKamchatka isalso home to a great deal of volcanic and geothermal activity. The cause here might not be human. https://youtube.com/watch?v=KILQ0M5ilIo https://youtube.com/watch?v=KILQ0M5ilIo
- pierrec 6y agoIt's always worth raising this possibility, though it looks really unlikely in this case. Volcanic and geothermal activity has never released toxic phenols as far as I can tell. Instead you get simpler compounds like carbon dioxide, sulfate, etc. which can also be deadly but only at higher concentrations. This appears to keep killing after dilution.
- dredmorbius 6y agoFair enough. I saw yellow and though "hrm, sulfur?" Unless a geothermal event were cutting through and releasing a natural hydrocarbon field (it's happened: Permian–Triassic mass extinction event https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian–Triassic_extinction_event https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian–Triassic_extinction_...), organic chemicals would be unlikely. My understanding is that Kamkatchka is too young geologically, as well as otherwise unsuitable, for there to be large petrochemical reserves.
- patfla 6y agoIt seems that's the same bay as for Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, which with a population of 180,000 is Kamchatska's largest city. So this is very close to what amounts to a large population for Kamchatka. The Russians have always been cavalier about pollution and, as much as it may be hard to believe for some Americans, even more cavalier than here in the US. Not the Russian people of course but their political systems whether Communist or post-Communist. Corruption, lack of accountability and so on. Then obviously Siberia is very large and very sparsely population and interested parties might think: big mess? No big deal. Sort of like the intermontane west generally in the US. Wasteland, right?
- Gibbon1 6y ago> Sort of like the intermontane west generally in the US. Wasteland, right? Well the western US is generally considered to be a delicate arid ecosystems that is really easy to mess up permanently. A lot of it was really messed up from timber cutting, mining, and cattle ranching in the 1800's. And it only looks like it's recovered because no one remembers what it was like before. There is a valley where the Mormons found a rich verdant prairie. And of course they plowed it under and grew the best crop of wheat they ever saw. And the next winter the winds blew the topsoil away.
- redisman 6y agoThe native prairie biome has pretty much been completely eradicated in the US. Pretty impressive for what once dominated the land from Wisconsin to Montana
- mahesh_rm 6y agoAs a non American, how did it look like?
- throwawaysea 6y agoTimber cutting also destroyed the majority of old growth trees, causing high densities of smaller and younger trees to grow in their place. Today we often think of forests being healthy when we see dense uninterrupted lush green trees. However forests in the western US were sparser previously, with regular wildfires thinning younger trees, sparing older/tougher trees, modulating forest density, and altering the mix of undergrowth/young trees/old growth. There are videos on YouTube showing comparisons of forests from 100 years ago and today, and they look very different as a result of these changes.
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- yread 6y agoIt's not surprising considering the way they handled the military nuclear accident last year: https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2019/10/wreak-barge-nenoksa-accident-ends-kola-radioactive-scrap-site https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2019/10/wreak-bar...
- cozzyd 6y agoI tried to generate a "story" using Planet imagery: https://www.planet.com/stories/kamtchatka-eco-disaster-4zV9_lFMg https://www.planet.com/stories/kamtchatka-eco-disaster-4zV9_... The imagery from May 22 seems especially suspicious. Unfortunately there are some large gaps of images available (at least to me!) edit: apparently I had too many filters on. Here's one with slightly more imagery: https://www.planet.com/stories/more-kamchatka-eco-disater-fr3rulFMg https://www.planet.com/stories/more-kamchatka-eco-disater-fr... A few thoughts: seems to coincide with snowmelt... could be anything in the catchment area. Also, this is a volanic region so there's some possibility that there is some natural deposition of sulfuric acid. The latter also makes for great plausible deniability of course...
- rckt 6y agoThere's Kozelsky pesticides landfill in the area. It was started there circa 1980, 35 km to Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky. There were 108 tons of unusable pesticides. The spill comes from the river Nalycheva, and the landfill is on the river Mutnushka which flows into the Nalycheva river.
- andreasley 6y agoFrom https://www.rbth.com/lifestyle/332810-behind-ecological-disaster-kamchatka https://www.rbth.com/lifestyle/332810-behind-ecological-disa...: According to local media, there have already been leaks from buried pesticides. Regional agronomist Anatoly Fedorchenko said in 2006 that “this amount [20 tons of arsenic] is enough to poison the entire northern Pacific Ocean.” Although the landfill was mothballed in 2010, additional checks are now due to be carried out.
- philipkglass 6y agoVery interesting. It is mentioned here: "Regionally Based Assessment of Persistent Toxic Substances: Central and Northeast Asia Regional Report" United Nations Environment Programme, December 2002 https://iwlearn.net/resolveuid/1946c1f28aed08b804427301ae5e0265 https://iwlearn.net/resolveuid/1946c1f28aed08b804427301ae5e0... Kamchatka Oblast - Pesticide landfill built in 1979-1982 at foot of Kozelsky volcano. 102 t of various pesticides. ... In the Central and North East Asia Region, the former Soviet Union has major hot spots for obsolete pesticides. A meeting held in Moscow on 7-8 February, 2001 by the Arctic Council for “The ecological reasonable management in field of stores of out-of-date pesticides“ project have identified priority Regions whereby the inventory of out-of-date pesticides should be documented. These Regions are the Kamchatka Peninsula, Krasnoyarsk Krai, Magadan Oblast, Sakha Republic (Yakutia) and Tyumen Oblast of the Russian Federation. Furthermore, inventory for out-of-date pesticides in three sub-boreal Regions have been identified: Altai Krai, Kurgan and Omsk Oblast (Shekhovtsov, 2002). Members of the Commonwealth of Independent States have a large quantity of PTS which are obsolete and redundant. A conservative estimate suggests there is greater than 150000 t of obsolete pesticides. Much is in poor condition and not properly managed (PAN UK, 2000).
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- sradman 6y agoIt seems odd that most of the animals pictured live on the sea floor. There are mostly urchins and the starfish that feed on them with a disheartening number of giant pacific octopus mixed in.
- aaron695 6y agoClearly natural. Humans couldn't do that. What sort of nutters are Greenpeace to blame it on humans? It's like they have no high school understanding of how the planet works.
- irrational 6y agoI assume that river wasn’t always yellow. If the river is followed upstream, is there a point where it is not yellow? What is happening just downstream from that? It would seem that a plane or satellite could quickly find the source.
- timdj 6y agoI 've also noticed that satellite imagery (Google Maps and Google Earth) have been blanked off for large areas of the relevant district of Kamchatka coast.. never seen that before except in and around the vicinity of top secret military bases. I don't buy the Russian authorities insistence that it's an oil spill, I've worked many oil spills and see no sign, in the Kamchatka images i've accessed, of any oil pollution. I had already come to the conclusion that it must be chemical and the info shared on this site has hardened that view, you get a lot of pheonols in "cides" and often various forms/types of hydrocarbons are involved in the "carriers" for cides. Like others on this site, I'd already fixed on the river and followed it's course up into the highlands where I'd deduce, from the mapping of Siberian wildfires, that there's been a lot of wildfire over recent years. This would generate major loss of tree cover, which in turn (in the evnt of heavy rainfall or snow melt) would lead to major erosion and infrastructure damage.. including the destruction of bunded or buried chemical waste repositories and subsequent leaks... would be great to know if any one's doing autopsy on dead marine life or has attempted sampling and analysis on the water.
- LargoLasskhyfv 6y agoSurfers raised alarm after once pristine waters caused major problems with eyesight, fevers and throat aches. SURFERS in Kamchatka?! Err...Hardcore! Color me impressed!