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> proprietary operating systems to be actively working against you Where is this happening ? Are we expecting this now ? What did I miss
by codegladiator 6y ago
> proprietary operating systems to be actively working against you
Where is this happening ? Are we expecting this now ? What did I miss
- asveikau 6y agoWindows 10 is a resource hog and contains adware. macOS ... Is special. Some of the most notable changes in the last few years have been to try to restrict what an app can do.
- dx034 6y agoI agree with Spyware but resource hog? Everyday performance is certainly better than on earlier Windows versions.
- spdionis 6y agoSo you're telling me that macOS is more performant than Windows 10? Have you used both? Do you not feel the delay in every mouse click you do in macOS that is so maddening after coming from Windows? Both the UI lag and general performance in macOS is just a sad story. My windows machine runs 24/7 for months without needing a restart. I am forced to restart macOS weekly, usually because of system issues.
- spacekitcat 6y agoI don't share your experiences. I'm a developer on Windows and OSX, so I have MacBook Pro and a ThinkPad. I want to run the ThinkPad over with a car and then drop it in the sea.
- pcdoodle 6y agoMacOS is far better. This mouse click delay you're talking about, is in your head.
- Hackbraten 6y agoTo be fair, it can happen when the kernel is very busy, for example while paging. Even with a SSD and 16 GB RAM, it happens regularly for me due to bloated webpages, or apps like VS Code.
- WorldPeas 6y agoI used macos, I was forced to restart and update. I used windows, I was forced to restart and update. I use kubuntu now, and I haven't turned my computer off(unless you count sleep state) in a few weeks, sometimes i've gone months. Both operating systems feel slow to me now that I've used linux. I was apprehensive to use it at first, and feel kinda guilty evangelizing it, but if you have these problems, I think this is your solution.
- Hackbraten 6y agoI’ve been on macOS for 16 years. Never has it forced me to restart or update (not counting panics or other bugs).
- stjohnswarts 6y agoExactly. Having it ask you if you want to update is not the same as in Windows where you get forced.
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
- bisby 6y agoyes. most of the things I see about windows vs linux involve "well you can just turn all the spyware stuff off, all you have to do is dive into these 10 menus and flip these switches" "Its easy to disable the ads in the start menu" etc etc. Even if you can turn the stuff off, the fact that you have to feels a lot like the OS working against the user.
- ce4 6y agoAnd the next update may reset some of them. The Edge update comes to mind that had reset the browser preference presumably to be able to push edge again.
- jodrellblank 6y agoBecause that's how installing software works on Windows. You install a new program which can open JPGs, it's not allowed to grab control of all JPGs unilaterally. Instead it registers itself as a handler of JPGs. Next time you try to open one, Windows prompts you "you have a new program which can do X, what do you want to use?" and you get to keep your old one, or choose the new one, once or every time. Get a new browser installed, prompt for your choice of browser. This is an improvement to "get Edge installed, have Edge take over everything silently" and an improvement on "I installed a thing and it doesn't do anything, where is it", and an improvement on "IE 11 for eternity".
- bisby 6y agoafter the edge update, when i started my computer, edge opened itself and forced me through a "first run" mini tutorial thing that i couldnt skip or ignore. it wasn't even a "you have a new program" prompt, it was a "YOU ARE USING EDGE NOW". one of the updates most certainly was not just a mime handler update. They pushed a new edge (when they swapped to chromium) and rather than leave people with old edge as their browser, they just flat out set new edge as your browser without checking what you had otherwise, and set it to auto run on your next boot.
- stnmtn 6y ago
- jononor 6y agoThe amount of user data collected in Windows 10 for example. Next to no user benefits, just value extracted for Microsoft. Automatic updates on reboot. For example when someone giving a presentation or class has to restart their computer for some reason (quite common in Windows still, or one just ran out of power). Boot up the computer, people waiting impatiently - and then have to wait for 5-30 minutes for the computer to finish updates before being able to use it. No way to cancel/post-pone, no time-estimates for when it will be done.
- rblatz 6y agoI go months without needing to reboot windows, and have for over a decade. Typically if I need to reboot it’s due to an update or software that requires a reboot to install.
- sdfqasdghj 6y agoHow? When I last used Windows it forced a reboot to do updates once a month. If I let it pick the time it was often a bad time.
- toyg 6y agoTo be fair, that's typically a policy enforced by administrators: "patch X should be force-installed if not present by Date Y" + "reboot should be forced if not happening after Z days from patching" => "reboot will happen at Date Y + Z, regardless of user's wishes".
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y agoO&O ShutUP 10. It will let you disable the automatic update nonsense (along with a bunch of other nonsense).
- rvba 6y agoI dont use Windows much, but you can go to services and disable Windows the update service and.. in the Wifi settings check a box that says you have a limited connection.
- Answerawake 6y agoWindows 10 telemetry, secretly turning on auto updates even after you turn it off and correct me if I am wrong, even if you disable the update service or add the urls to the hosts file it now "mysteriously" undoes that stuff over time. Windows 10X will probably have some more goodies.
- dx034 6y agoI believe auto updates aren't malicious. Microsoft had a huge problem with worms infecting millions of computers that used outdated Windows version. It made Windows less secure in public opinion, even though these issues had often been fixed a long time. Forcing people to update was probably the only way to stop that. I'm also not a fan, I got burned at least once by a Windows 10 computer restarting in the middle of the night when I had programs running on it, but I guess it's one of these things that's good for 99%, the 1% is just overrepresented here.
- bzzzt 6y agoIf you want people to accept forced updates, just send the security fixes. Don't change the UI and don't mess with the users preferences, especially concerning privacy.
- dx034 6y agoHonestly, I've never heard anyone complain apart from tech people. Long reboots are annoying but overall, Windows 10 is pretty well accepted by every non-technical person I know.
- TeMPOraL 6y agoOh, the non-tech people hate it too, but what can they do? They have literally zero choice in the matter. That's the thing with tech, and that's why I consider all arguments that "people voted with their wallets" to be bullshit in this space. Most users don't understand how computers work. They don't have mental models to recognize how things should work. They have no choice but to accept whatever they're being given. Devices around them getting less ergonomic, slower, and more flashy UIs? "There are smart people building this magic, they must know what they're doing!". Their computers slowing down to the point of uselessness in the span of a year? "It must be these viruses!". Techies complain because techies understand it's all greed and laziness, and that same technology is capable of being much better than it is. I mean, ask your parents whether they like their operating system. I'll bet their answer will be a resounding "no", and you may get an earful about their general frustrations with technology. One notable moment where the dissatisfaction of masses was voiced in unison was the forced Windows 8 to Windows 10 upgrade. You didn't have to have any sophisticated mental model there to recognize you're being made to do something bad for you against your will.