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GoDaddy rejected me a year after I applied and only realized it when a recruiter was trying to input me into their system. I took great pride in informing her t

GoDaddy rejected me a year after I applied and only realized it when a recruiter was trying to input me into their system. I took great pride in informing her that a) I made more than their proposed offer and b) I’d never work for a company who couldn’t operate with basic human decency in their recruiting process. Because of that experience, I make it a point that every single candidate deserves a yes or no response and the company I work for has kept that up.

dominotw 6y ago
> I took great pride in informing her that a) I made more than their proposed offer and b) I’d never work for a company who couldn’t operate with basic human decency in their recruiting process. I used to work in tech recruiting. I guarantee you 100%, no one cares. As a candidate your only option is to move on or write a bad glassdoor if you are so inclined and move on.
- tremon 6y ago
  It's never silly to inform someone when they fail basic human decency.
- gabereiser 6y ago
  While I agree with you in the sentiment that they are venting to space... metaphorically speaking. A recruiter either works for themselves, as an agency, or for a company. In all three scenarios your business is only as good as your reputation since “service” is your business. I’d highly suggest taking a second look at your stance. While it takes years to build reputation, it takes minutes to destroy it.
- Aqua 6y ago
  Well, it tells a lot about how much you(and probably your management) care about your job. My org was once hiring for a tech position, it was a new role, we weren't exactly sure if the process was right and one candidate sent us an email criticising the process and interviewers. We have apologised and thanked for the feedback, which was brought onboard and used to calibrate and improve the process further. Not every company is the same. Besides, when we have received that kind of message it immediately raised some red flags. What if the candidate complains on glassdoor or other social media? It would damage our reputation. And frankly speaking, GoDaddy doesn't exactly have a good reputation.
- torwayburger 6y ago
  I was a hiring manager in tech for many years and my impression was that talented people care, as do managers. Seems like everyone involved except the recruiter wants an optimal outcome ....
  - dominotw 6y ago
    Maybe i misinterpreted what GP said. curious if you have an example where you took a candidates feedback and improved your process. If you company does leetcode puzzles ( I worked at such a company) for hiring and a candidate tells you that they felt like that processes lacked basic human decency. What would you do?
    - konceptz 6y ago
      Evaluate the areas of human interaction or places where some could be and try to make those better. Instead of just thinking that a technical challenge is there be all end all of recruiting. “ I used to work in tech recruiting. I guarantee you 100%, no one cares.” This does not reflect tech recruiting. People do care and while there are many hurdles to changing a process, we shouldn’t give up because its hard.
      - dominotw 6y ago
        ok how does this address my example above about the most popular "inhumane" tech hiring complaint on HN. What are you going to do about that other than give up?
        literallycancer 6y ago
        As a candidate? Tell them you don't do puzzles before talking to humans and to advance you to the next screen? It's not like those rules can't be broken or changed, they aren't laws of physics.
        dominotw 6y ago
- mappyL 6y ago
  >This is silly Would it hurt to let a man have the little feeling of happiness he'd get for a harmless gesture. (I see that you edited this part out) >no one cares It is also concerning that a recruiter passes out employee hostile practices as if it's the standard practice.
- thepratt 6y ago
  You shouldn't make such sweeping statements. I can assure you that candidates do care. Feedback should be mandatory for the time invested by candidates.
- andreareina 6y ago
  I'm on the interviewer's side of the table and we absolutely do care.
- charlesu 6y ago
  Candidates talk. If we hear that a company has a terrible recruiting process, we'll generally avoid it. This is especially true of qualified candidates who are heavily recruited. You'll send an email or a LinkedIn message to a candidate and get one of the suggested "No, thanks" replies or outright silence. So if you don't care, you should.
- formerly_proven 6y ago
  > I used to work in tech recruiting. I guarantee you 100%, no one cares. Yes, everyone noticed.
- hoytschermerhrn 6y ago
  Attitudes like yours are why tech recruiters are notoriously inconsiderate and difficult to work with. It’s not a good look and not something to be proud of.
  - awinder 6y ago
    There’s like 2 very discrete camps in recruiting in my experience, people who optimize for short vs long game basically. I’ve maintained a fantastic relationship with the best recruiter I met, and it’s definitely not like this, there’s some great people in the long game camp.
  - dominotw 6y ago
    > Attitudes like yours Why the personal attacks? I am merely telling you what goes on. Its not my personal policy or my personal preference. I hated being a recruiter and pivoted out of it. Do you think FB engineers personally set the policy to ignore rumours against muslims in India from spreading on their platform.
    - vanusa 6y ago
      It wasn't an attack. They're just stating a fact from their own experience. I hated being a recruiter and pivoted out of it. That's definitely helpful to know. Thanks for clarifying.
- sbilstein 6y ago
  As a hiring manager, I care quite a bit about how candidates think of our process BUT I also know that most folks who bother to write something like 'basic human decency' to a recruiter, who usually has little power or status in a company, are probably not the people I want to hire. Nothing wrong with complaining but people often hurl needless insults when they've had a less than optimal time.
  - literallycancer 6y ago
    Why couldn't the feedback bubble up to someone who has enough authority to improve the process? No one expects recruiters to fix the company by themselves.
- holytaco 6y ago
  I'm hiring now. I don't think no one cares. Our recruiter is processing 400 candidates at once and relying on a lot of new hiring managers to follow a process. It's a lot of work to keep up and stuff does fall through the cracks. And we're a tiny startup.
  - dominotw 6y ago
    Agreed, "no one cares" was probably not the right way to put it. I should've said that its highly unlikely that someone will actually look at the feedback and take it seriously.
- usr1106 6y ago
  > I used to work in tech recruiting. I guarantee you 100%, no one cares. Sounds correct. That's why professional tech recruiters are best avoided. Have never seen anything but empty talk and bad matches from them. On either side, recruiting or being recruited. Unfortunately the bigger the HR of a company, the more similarities to outside recruiters.
  - dominotw 6y ago
    > That's why professional tech recruiters are best avoided. I worked as a recruiter at a big tech company not a tech recruiting firm. Recruiting is just a big numbers game, it is nothing personal. Its just the way it is. Most people here hate white board, leetcode puzzles with passion but you cannot simply "best avoid" it if you want to get into a big tech company. Do you really think making engineers with 2 decades of experience solve 'trapping rain water' in 30 mins is "basic human decency" ? Do you think they care if you write to them about that?
- trentnix 6y ago
  Recruiters...ugh. About 15 years ago I managed a software team and decided I wanted to consider new opportunities. I wasn't sure I was leaving, but I wanted to see what was out there. A recruiter saw my resume, called my workplace to speak to the hiring manager, and offered his services to help the company fill their soon-to-be-vacant development manager position. The recruiter was happy to reveal that I was considering leaving until he realized I was the hiring manager he was talking to. He quickly hung up.
  - peteypao 6y ago
    Wow, just wow.
- goatinaboat 6y ago
  As a candidate your only option is to move on or write a bad glassdoor if you are so inclined and move on. Not in the EU. You can file a GDPR SAR for any electronic records created during the process, which will probably include the interviewer’s notes.
  - dominotw 6y ago
    Wow I had no idea. This would be a game changer for the whole industry here.
oblio 6y ago
> GoDaddy rejected me a year after I applied and only realized it when a recruiter was trying to input me into their system. I don't understand this bit. Did the recruiter input your info in their system and then the system send you a rejection email?
- brogrammernot 6y ago
  Yep lol. They added me as a “prospect” as they were trying to poach me and then I got the email. My best guess is that some sort of automated process picked up a rejection email or an email was queued in the system so when the new recruiter tried to send me an email with info via whatever tool they use it triggered it to send as well

dominotw 6y ago

> I took great pride in informing her that a) I made more than their proposed offer and b) I’d never work for a company who couldn’t operate with basic human decency in their recruiting process. I used to work in tech recruiting. I guarantee you 100%, no one cares. As a candidate your only option is to move on or write a bad glassdoor if you are so inclined and move on.

tremon 6y ago
It's never silly to inform someone when they fail basic human decency.
gabereiser 6y ago
While I agree with you in the sentiment that they are venting to space... metaphorically speaking. A recruiter either works for themselves, as an agency, or for a company. In all three scenarios your business is only as good as your reputation since “service” is your business. I’d highly suggest taking a second look at your stance. While it takes years to build reputation, it takes minutes to destroy it.
Aqua 6y ago
Well, it tells a lot about how much you(and probably your management) care about your job. My org was once hiring for a tech position, it was a new role, we weren't exactly sure if the process was right and one candidate sent us an email criticising the process and interviewers. We have apologised and thanked for the feedback, which was brought onboard and used to calibrate and improve the process further. Not every company is the same. Besides, when we have received that kind of message it immediately raised some red flags. What if the candidate complains on glassdoor or other social media? It would damage our reputation. And frankly speaking, GoDaddy doesn't exactly have a good reputation.
torwayburger 6y ago
I was a hiring manager in tech for many years and my impression was that talented people care, as do managers. Seems like everyone involved except the recruiter wants an optimal outcome ....
- dominotw 6y ago
  Maybe i misinterpreted what GP said. curious if you have an example where you took a candidates feedback and improved your process. If you company does leetcode puzzles ( I worked at such a company) for hiring and a candidate tells you that they felt like that processes lacked basic human decency. What would you do?
  - konceptz 6y ago
    Evaluate the areas of human interaction or places where some could be and try to make those better. Instead of just thinking that a technical challenge is there be all end all of recruiting. “ I used to work in tech recruiting. I guarantee you 100%, no one cares.” This does not reflect tech recruiting. People do care and while there are many hurdles to changing a process, we shouldn’t give up because its hard.
    - dominotw 6y ago
      ok how does this address my example above about the most popular "inhumane" tech hiring complaint on HN. What are you going to do about that other than give up?
      - literallycancer 6y ago
        As a candidate? Tell them you don't do puzzles before talking to humans and to advance you to the next screen? It's not like those rules can't be broken or changed, they aren't laws of physics.
        dominotw 6y ago
mappyL 6y ago
>This is silly Would it hurt to let a man have the little feeling of happiness he'd get for a harmless gesture. (I see that you edited this part out) >no one cares It is also concerning that a recruiter passes out employee hostile practices as if it's the standard practice.
thepratt 6y ago
You shouldn't make such sweeping statements. I can assure you that candidates do care. Feedback should be mandatory for the time invested by candidates.
andreareina 6y ago
I'm on the interviewer's side of the table and we absolutely do care.
charlesu 6y ago
Candidates talk. If we hear that a company has a terrible recruiting process, we'll generally avoid it. This is especially true of qualified candidates who are heavily recruited. You'll send an email or a LinkedIn message to a candidate and get one of the suggested "No, thanks" replies or outright silence. So if you don't care, you should.
formerly_proven 6y ago
> I used to work in tech recruiting. I guarantee you 100%, no one cares. Yes, everyone noticed.
hoytschermerhrn 6y ago
Attitudes like yours are why tech recruiters are notoriously inconsiderate and difficult to work with. It’s not a good look and not something to be proud of.
- awinder 6y ago
  There’s like 2 very discrete camps in recruiting in my experience, people who optimize for short vs long game basically. I’ve maintained a fantastic relationship with the best recruiter I met, and it’s definitely not like this, there’s some great people in the long game camp.
- dominotw 6y ago
  > Attitudes like yours Why the personal attacks? I am merely telling you what goes on. Its not my personal policy or my personal preference. I hated being a recruiter and pivoted out of it. Do you think FB engineers personally set the policy to ignore rumours against muslims in India from spreading on their platform.
  - vanusa 6y ago
    It wasn't an attack. They're just stating a fact from their own experience. I hated being a recruiter and pivoted out of it. That's definitely helpful to know. Thanks for clarifying.
sbilstein 6y ago
As a hiring manager, I care quite a bit about how candidates think of our process BUT I also know that most folks who bother to write something like 'basic human decency' to a recruiter, who usually has little power or status in a company, are probably not the people I want to hire. Nothing wrong with complaining but people often hurl needless insults when they've had a less than optimal time.
- literallycancer 6y ago
  Why couldn't the feedback bubble up to someone who has enough authority to improve the process? No one expects recruiters to fix the company by themselves.
holytaco 6y ago
I'm hiring now. I don't think no one cares. Our recruiter is processing 400 candidates at once and relying on a lot of new hiring managers to follow a process. It's a lot of work to keep up and stuff does fall through the cracks. And we're a tiny startup.
- dominotw 6y ago
  Agreed, "no one cares" was probably not the right way to put it. I should've said that its highly unlikely that someone will actually look at the feedback and take it seriously.
usr1106 6y ago
> I used to work in tech recruiting. I guarantee you 100%, no one cares. Sounds correct. That's why professional tech recruiters are best avoided. Have never seen anything but empty talk and bad matches from them. On either side, recruiting or being recruited. Unfortunately the bigger the HR of a company, the more similarities to outside recruiters.
- dominotw 6y ago
  > That's why professional tech recruiters are best avoided. I worked as a recruiter at a big tech company not a tech recruiting firm. Recruiting is just a big numbers game, it is nothing personal. Its just the way it is. Most people here hate white board, leetcode puzzles with passion but you cannot simply "best avoid" it if you want to get into a big tech company. Do you really think making engineers with 2 decades of experience solve 'trapping rain water' in 30 mins is "basic human decency" ? Do you think they care if you write to them about that?
trentnix 6y ago
Recruiters...ugh. About 15 years ago I managed a software team and decided I wanted to consider new opportunities. I wasn't sure I was leaving, but I wanted to see what was out there. A recruiter saw my resume, called my workplace to speak to the hiring manager, and offered his services to help the company fill their soon-to-be-vacant development manager position. The recruiter was happy to reveal that I was considering leaving until he realized I was the hiring manager he was talking to. He quickly hung up.
- peteypao 6y ago
  Wow, just wow.
goatinaboat 6y ago
As a candidate your only option is to move on or write a bad glassdoor if you are so inclined and move on. Not in the EU. You can file a GDPR SAR for any electronic records created during the process, which will probably include the interviewer’s notes.
- dominotw 6y ago
  Wow I had no idea. This would be a game changer for the whole industry here.

oblio 6y ago

> GoDaddy rejected me a year after I applied and only realized it when a recruiter was trying to input me into their system. I don't understand this bit. Did the recruiter input your info in their system and then the system send you a rejection email?

brogrammernot 6y ago
Yep lol. They added me as a “prospect” as they were trying to poach me and then I got the email. My best guess is that some sort of automated process picked up a rejection email or an email was queued in the system so when the new recruiter tried to send me an email with info via whatever tool they use it triggered it to send as well