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Wow did not realize these open gender policies have resulted in such outcomes. I guess the only option is to remove men/womens altogether and have them complet

by wolco 6y ago

Wow did not realize these open gender policies have resulted in such outcomes. I guess the only option is to remove men/womens altogether and have them complete against all sexes. Another option is to have a separate category for them or many seperate categories.

axaxs 6y ago
I think generally all competing against all is the logical conclusion to this mess. Biological males competing against females isn't fair, nor are biological females on male hormones. Making a trans category could be seen as insulting/outing, I think, and probably wouldn't have many competitors. So outside of examining and testing every single person, seems easier to just have them all compete together. Have weight classes where it makes sense to.
- leephillips 6y ago
  That would mean the end of competitive sports for women. For many women and girl athletes, it would mean the end of their ambitions, the canceling of a lifetime of rigorous training and hope. Just so a few men who can’t compete against other men can bring home trophies.
  - axaxs 6y ago
    Everyone wants equality until it affects them negatively then, it seems. Being a smartass aside, I don't think it will be the end of competitive sports for women. I think we'll see new sports emerge, which would be pretty interesting.
    - throwaway189262 6y ago
      There's essentially no sports where women can compete on the same level as men. The differences go beyond strength. For a man and woman the same weight: Men have stronger bones, much higher oxygen capacity, faster reaction time, better motion tracking, higher fatigue tolerance, better aerobic endurance, higher pain threshold. An interesting development would be co-ed professional sports with teams that have a fixed number of men and women. I think this is the best we could hope for as far as equality in sports
      - axaxs 6y ago
        But you end up back in the same position. You have a 5 person team requirement, 3 men and 2 women. Where do you put trans?
        slater 6y ago
        In the gender that the transitioning person identifies with.
    - silly-silly 6y ago
      It absolutely would 'end' current competitive sports for women. This would be the equivalent of ditching your current paying customers for maybe potential future even-smaller-segment customers.
  - stallmanite 6y ago
    You’re comfortable asserting that transgender women are “men who can’t compete with other men” and that there are individuals for whom the whole point of undergoing sexual reassignment surgery is to “take home trophies”? That’s quite a dedication to sports you’re proposing in which a person would be willing to have their genitals altered permanently to win an athletic contest. Do you honestly believe that’s the motivation? Edit: referring to actual transwomen who’ve had surgery, etc. Just being able to declare that you “identify” as a woman and that’s that is the height of insanity.
    - ccffpphh 6y ago
      The issue is that many allege that one doesn't need surgery so long as they identify as their respective gender. Saying "I identify as a [gender]" is enough. There are clear differences between the biological sexes which drastically impact physical performance in athletics. Look at the texas high school wrestling champion, the under-15 boys team in dallas beating the world champion womens soccer team, etc.
      - stallmanite 6y ago
        The whole thing of just needing to say you identify as a woman is 1000% bullshit and in fact the pushback against such stupid things is causing a lot of problems for “real” transpeople. When I speak of transwomen I’m referring to people who have had surgery/hormones. To me if you’re willing to get rid of your penis that’s dedication and unlikely to be a ploy to win medals in track and field.
        ccffpphh 6y ago
        You are still going to have a biological advantage. Bone structure, muscle mass, endurance, reaction time, oxygen capacity These are things that persist even after chopping your penis off or taking hormones - you can't undo the changes that your body went through during the developmental phase. Someone male who was on female hormones literally their entire life since maybe age 0-2? Ok, you have a case. Otherwise it's just incredibly unfair for women to compete against.

by wolco 6y ago

axaxs 6y ago

I think generally all competing against all is the logical conclusion to this mess. Biological males competing against females isn't fair, nor are biological females on male hormones. Making a trans category could be seen as insulting/outing, I think, and probably wouldn't have many competitors. So outside of examining and testing every single person, seems easier to just have them all compete together. Have weight classes where it makes sense to.

leephillips 6y ago
That would mean the end of competitive sports for women. For many women and girl athletes, it would mean the end of their ambitions, the canceling of a lifetime of rigorous training and hope. Just so a few men who can’t compete against other men can bring home trophies.
- axaxs 6y ago
  Everyone wants equality until it affects them negatively then, it seems. Being a smartass aside, I don't think it will be the end of competitive sports for women. I think we'll see new sports emerge, which would be pretty interesting.
  - throwaway189262 6y ago
    There's essentially no sports where women can compete on the same level as men. The differences go beyond strength. For a man and woman the same weight: Men have stronger bones, much higher oxygen capacity, faster reaction time, better motion tracking, higher fatigue tolerance, better aerobic endurance, higher pain threshold. An interesting development would be co-ed professional sports with teams that have a fixed number of men and women. I think this is the best we could hope for as far as equality in sports
    - axaxs 6y ago
      But you end up back in the same position. You have a 5 person team requirement, 3 men and 2 women. Where do you put trans?
      - slater 6y ago
        In the gender that the transitioning person identifies with.
  - silly-silly 6y ago
    It absolutely would 'end' current competitive sports for women. This would be the equivalent of ditching your current paying customers for maybe potential future even-smaller-segment customers.
- stallmanite 6y ago
  You’re comfortable asserting that transgender women are “men who can’t compete with other men” and that there are individuals for whom the whole point of undergoing sexual reassignment surgery is to “take home trophies”? That’s quite a dedication to sports you’re proposing in which a person would be willing to have their genitals altered permanently to win an athletic contest. Do you honestly believe that’s the motivation? Edit: referring to actual transwomen who’ve had surgery, etc. Just being able to declare that you “identify” as a woman and that’s that is the height of insanity.
  - ccffpphh 6y ago
    The issue is that many allege that one doesn't need surgery so long as they identify as their respective gender. Saying "I identify as a [gender]" is enough. There are clear differences between the biological sexes which drastically impact physical performance in athletics. Look at the texas high school wrestling champion, the under-15 boys team in dallas beating the world champion womens soccer team, etc.
    - stallmanite 6y ago
      The whole thing of just needing to say you identify as a woman is 1000% bullshit and in fact the pushback against such stupid things is causing a lot of problems for “real” transpeople. When I speak of transwomen I’m referring to people who have had surgery/hormones. To me if you’re willing to get rid of your penis that’s dedication and unlikely to be a ploy to win medals in track and field.
      - ccffpphh 6y ago
        You are still going to have a biological advantage. Bone structure, muscle mass, endurance, reaction time, oxygen capacity These are things that persist even after chopping your penis off or taking hormones - you can't undo the changes that your body went through during the developmental phase. Someone male who was on female hormones literally their entire life since maybe age 0-2? Ok, you have a case. Otherwise it's just incredibly unfair for women to compete against.